Retread wrote:On the other hand.....
What incentive is there for me to be in this chain? I am at the bottom. I work my butt off and see people above me shooting up in levels while I go virtually no where. There is no pusher under me.
I am hoping that there are enough caring and grateful people above me to take it upon themselves to offer to help me out and fellow with me. So far only my current and previous chain patrons have fellowed with me.
Someone has to be the bottom and that's okay. But to take the attitude that if you make quota you've done all you need to do is really kind of selfish in my opinion. Everyone in the chain should benefit and the bottom will only benefit if the uppers are charitible and feel some responsiblity to see that everyone benefits.
I agree, no one should be badgered or put down for not doing it. But I also think much praise should be given to those who do take the time.
BTW, all the pushers are above me so I get nothing from people working with the pushers. Please consider me when you feeling charitable.
Thanks.
Gruhen Do
Once upon a time I was a low level too. I already had grown up to mid-60 all by myself, which was harder than today because level 7 buffs or XP sinks like AL (and I think even Fellowship Bonus) did not exist yet.
And then, when our clan created a chain and my patron had not been playing for months anyway, I joined that chain. I was at the bottom of it.
I had months of no significant level increase while "I worked my butt off" - I had "just" the levelling speed that was intended by the developers.
Much later - a few weeks ago - I even was about to leave the OH chain because I did not see any benefit in fulfilling the increased quota.
So I can understand your frustration. Really, I can. But I still believe such frustration does not entitle you to call me "selfish" because in fact I did never fellow with you for XP.
And you ask about the incentive ? The incentive is that when new people join the chain you will grow out or your current situation and *they* will be the ones at the bottom. Then you will be awarded for the patience. That is how it worked for me and probably most of the others.
I know - this sounds like when your grandparents say "ts ts ts, today's youth....back in my time everything was different".
But I think I am entitled to talk like a grandfather because Trekman the Axeman in fact *is* a grandfather in Dereth - he is over three years old,
not the x'th reroll to be leveled in a chain as fast as possible.
XP chains are not in the game by design, they are a sort of exploit of a hierarchy system meant to provide starter help for beginners. Therefore they have the flaw that people are not rewarded with the same XP they deliver themselves, discriminating those at the bottom.
Don't get me wrong. I know it sounds rude but fact is that "if you make quota you've done all you
need to do". That is what is written in the policy and that is how XP chains work in general.
Everything else like fellowing with pushers or even lower chain members is voluntary. It needs some organizational work like the program that Oof is pursuing.
You say, that no one should be put down, but in the same breath you call me "selfish". Which exactly proves the point of my previous post. I agree to such a program, but the "right perspective" has to be maintained. I cannot agree to it the moment a higher position in the chain is declared an obligation to participate.
It has to be kept strictly voluntary without calling those names who do not participate.
Or it has to be made mandatory by adding it to the policy (including the "inaugurating board discussion"). But in that case a functioning and realistic system is a prerequisite.
I am not pouting.
First of all - I would gladly fellow with you. But primarily because we are clanmates - not necessarily because you happen to be below me in the same XP chain. Because if that would be the reason one could say "Pah - he only fellows with me because he gets some of those XP as he is above me in the chain".
Besides the fact that I play Euro times - how often and where did you express your interest in fellowship hunting so that I could possibly contact you ? How often did you try to contact me ?
You see, it is a matter of communication, not of denying to hunt with low chain members to help them.
Post your toon names so I can put them in my Friends list. Put "Trekman the Axeman" in your Friends list. Then we can try to meet for fellowing.
Come to the same agreement with other higher levels.
And finally - be patient. Sooner or later people (or their rerolls) will join the chain below you.
I think our discussion is getting a bit off-topic, but for a last time let me emphasize my position, which is not as opposite to yours as you might think :
