Question:

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:33 pm

Hi.

I was out of date last night. I updated, was 18M behind. did a bit of work, hit 16M behind. Logged in this morning and earned 100M xp. figure maybe thats only 80M, that i might have earned 20M from chain in the 3 hours or so I was online.

I just updated to find I was now behind by -24,386,619.

MORE THAN THE TOTAL QUOTA POSSIBLE???

plz to xplain!

EDIT: and before anybody suggests I was 2 weeks behind, I only went into update friday night.

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:38 pm

Oh..

before I logged out with my 100M, i also changed chain vassals. did I just lose 100M?

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:54 pm

I'm not sure about the 24 million behind, I'll have to think about that one for a bit. No, you didn't lose 100 million XP. The database gathers datapoints from the different uploads. It tracks several different pieces of data, XP you pass to your patron (nothing to do with vassal XP), XP passed from your various vassals, dates of uploads, etc.

If you update several times per day it tracks several updates per day. If you change chain vassals you won't lose any credit for XP passed up from you. Changing chain vassals in, in a way, a non-issue because the database doesn't really care WHO the XP comes from; it simply calculates the numbers that are passed to it.

Now, what happens if your old chain vassal had passed you 10 XP (granted, that would be a rotten chain vassal) and then you got a different vassal who passed you 100 million. Exactly how that would affect your %quota number, I honestly can't tell you. I know long-term everything works out. How it could affect your quota numbers for one particular day I don't know.

For the answer to that one, we probably need to bump this post for Ranger. I suspect the answer will be, "the math works out correctly" or something like that. Regarding dropping a massive amount of XP upon upload, that can happen if you go a long time between uploads and your timing is bad. What I mean is it is possible to have a huge hunting session (like the one it seems you just had) that WAS counting toward your quota. Then, when you go to upload another set of data, the timing is such that your huge hunting session from before just aged out of the 21 day rolling window the database tracks. In that case, you could potentially add 50 million toward your quota from today and lose 100 million toward your quota that was old and just timed out.

For part of your answer I think we need Ranger. I'm sorry I don't have a definitive answer for you.

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:09 pm

but the 21 day window would still only mean that I could, at max, be 24M behind.

Only two 21-day-windows could possibly overlap, you know?

So how did my quota become greater than 24M?

And if you're thinking, I was behind in my last window, and then in this window, I could hit 24M (but not 24.3 like it says), then the 100M before flipping to this window SHOULD have wiped out my 'debt' from the previous window.

Even at only 24%, even though I'm sure I'm higher with my time and high loyalty bonuses, my 100M should have knocked out 2 whole quota periods.

i.e. at most, in theory, my quota shoudl read 12,000,000 right after I updated, assuming 21 day rollover hit me at just the right moment.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:27 pm

The 21 day window doesn't really reset per se. Think of you data as coming in on a continuous timeline. The quota window is a 21 day snapshot of the most current 21 days, at any given time. The window doesn't as much reset as it simply slides along that timeline, always showing the most recent 21 day time period. Or, if people want to think about the window in terms of resetting, think about it as resetting every minute of every day, continously taking the most recent 21 day period as the data it reports on.

The max quota for a 21 day reporting period for a member of the OH would be the automatic 93.75% plus 12 million per week in quota, for a total of 36 million XP that would need to be added by each chain member. A 24 million debt would fit inside one reporting period. There are only three things I normally see that cause big jumps in quota differences and those are either:

1) uploading very infrequently can cause tremendous jumps in reported quota performance. I think this is made even more noticeable if both the patron and the chain vassal upload infrequently.

2) logging out (or lagging out lately, it seems) without buffs on, or with vitae

3) losing a number of vassals and not realizing and replacing them.

I suspect the only one of the three that is even a possibility for you is the infrequent uploading, and I'm not sure about that one. You show 12 vassals right now, and you've been around long enough to know not to lag off mad with vitae because some critters smacked you around.

Ranger, if you get a chance, can you look at Lagmatic's data and see what is causing his big drop in quota?

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:39 pm

in the mean time don't boot me

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:18 am

Well, okay.

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:36 am

My suggestion is to do a couple of uploads and check them to see what they look like.

21 days ago, yu musta had one heck of a hunting day and when that day drops off, you should see it normalize.

Or, you didn't upload for a long time prior to that 21st day and yu threw a crap load into it on that day 21 days ago because you had 500 million (just an example) xp to throw at the upload.