It took me a year to move from the bottom of a chain to close to the top....
Im seeing WAY less xp now that i did when i was near the top of the food chain....
Yes its my mistake for not applying sooner....for not reading the 20 stickies that are 9 pages long....
To me the way you did placements isnt fair.....not after being a long standing member of the LD clan....
If you could pick ONE reason for wanting to be promoted...
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Khaz-Modaan
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self edit.
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I read a book saying that women are from venus, all right? So here's what you get her: Thick layers of sulfuric acid, viscous surface rock, and coronae which seem to be collapsed domes over large magma chambers. Here's $5.
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The Merciful
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i really dont know what to think now:( i notice alot of peeps in this chain are barely doing the minimum to skid by. i think we should raise the minimun quota to 24mill and i think we would start seeing some good xp.
this chain is supposed to be ment to be challenging.
also i would like to see more peeps at top get booted out of chain for not updating and failing qouta. it should be a privilige to be up there. and i think some of these peeps are taking it for granited.
this chain is supposed to be ment to be challenging.
also i would like to see more peeps at top get booted out of chain for not updating and failing qouta. it should be a privilige to be up there. and i think some of these peeps are taking it for granited.
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Kazsam
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Luck 
the peeps at the top have been there forever after having slowly made there way up, when i joined i was the littlest 126 with quite alot infront of me, whjo i either outleved through lots of hard hunting or because people left.
We all had plenty of notice to all move up together in our currnet order when OH was formed, people who missed out on the promotion to it only have themselves to blame for NOT reading the boards which is a requirement to be in the Food Chain.
BTW The Merfiful, seems to me like all your interested in is XP, i know you use to UMC, not saying you still do, but maybe youd be happier in a Chain ONLY clan.
This is a Great monachy, Clan first, Chain Second!!
the peeps at the top have been there forever after having slowly made there way up, when i joined i was the littlest 126 with quite alot infront of me, whjo i either outleved through lots of hard hunting or because people left.We all had plenty of notice to all move up together in our currnet order when OH was formed, people who missed out on the promotion to it only have themselves to blame for NOT reading the boards which is a requirement to be in the Food Chain.
BTW The Merfiful, seems to me like all your interested in is XP, i know you use to UMC, not saying you still do, but maybe youd be happier in a Chain ONLY clan.
This is a Great monachy, Clan first, Chain Second!!
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Flanker
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Easy guys lets not get the rope out on the managers for the insertion policy. 
I've got each of them dangeling over a pool of sharks as it is for not paying their extortion fee this week
I've got each of them dangeling over a pool of sharks as it is for not paying their extortion fee this week
Panzerfaust tells you "Flanker -- stay right where you are -- i'm coming over to open a can of high grade whoop ass for ya.
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Eternal Flames
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I agree with Kazsam (Yes I am her RL other half..but I have an independant brain)
Policy is in place, latecomers go at the bottom, established people stay where they are, stability ultimately for all, the new joiners if they hang about will see in the coming months more and more jon beneath them and they will too ultimately see more and more benefits.
Policy is in place, latecomers go at the bottom, established people stay where they are, stability ultimately for all, the new joiners if they hang about will see in the coming months more and more jon beneath them and they will too ultimately see more and more benefits.
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Drylox
I didn't vote either. but it was only cause I am not in a chain yet 
I was in LSD for 2 days and received 225 mil from below, but I also added 130 mil. Due to problems within LSD, I have been without a chain for 10 days. It wasn't worth being there.
Yesterday I led a quest to get the Mt Lethe recall spell. That was a lot of fun and the excitement continued when some of us recalled and proceeded to hunt there. Although this is the primary reason I came to this clan, being in a chain would be a bonus to help complete my skill goals that much faster.
If I wanted a level 200 character I would just buy one. But the value of starting with nothing and building your toon is priceless. Getting to a level where your primary skills are maxxed without a chain would be unrealistic. Ac may not be around that long.
Although Last Dynasty might
I was in LSD for 2 days and received 225 mil from below, but I also added 130 mil. Due to problems within LSD, I have been without a chain for 10 days. It wasn't worth being there.
Yesterday I led a quest to get the Mt Lethe recall spell. That was a lot of fun and the excitement continued when some of us recalled and proceeded to hunt there. Although this is the primary reason I came to this clan, being in a chain would be a bonus to help complete my skill goals that much faster.
If I wanted a level 200 character I would just buy one. But the value of starting with nothing and building your toon is priceless. Getting to a level where your primary skills are maxxed without a chain would be unrealistic. Ac may not be around that long.
Although Last Dynasty might
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Oof
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This is probably not the main thread where I would choose to put this but it does seem to be a thread that is getting some attention.
We have not forgotten about a promotion policy, but the one we offered is full of holes, so it is being re-thought. One of the reasons for the poll is to find out why people want promoted and what they want from the chain(s). The purpose behind the formation of the Order of Hyssop was to increase the flow of XP. Part of that process was to raise the quota and 12 million was the place that seemed to be the "best" place to start. I am sure we will raise the quota as time goes on. 12 million added is not very hard to do for 126+ and as the loyalty bonuses continue to build it will become easier and easier to get.
The primary emphasis for the OH was not grouping people together based on level number, based on time spent previously in the chain, or based on any of the other "it should have been done this way" reasons I have seen people toss up. The original swearing order was based solely on previous chain order. For the most part, that means a level order within the original insertees, but the swearing wasn't done for that purpose; it was done to maintain as much of the loyalty bonus as possible.
Any future insertions and any promotions will be done as much as possible in a way to maximize loyalty bonuses. People wanted an XP chain that offered more XP that the Food Chain, and the Order of Hyssop will do that. It is going to take some time to let the loyalty bonuses build, because it takes a while to log 240 hours of ingame time. This is not to say we will not have a promotion policy, we need one. Any promotion policy needs to reward performance and most likely needs to have some sort of "punishment" if a promoted person decides to retire from hunting after they reach their new home.
The chains have different purposes and choosing which one you want to belong to is neither good nor bad. The Casual Chain is for the casual hunter. The Food Chain is mostly sorted by levels while offering a competitive chain. The Order of Hyssop is supposed to maximize stability and long-term XP growth through increased quotas, maximized loyalty bonuses, and a membership who are all 126+.
I hunted this morning for a little bit with a lvl 50 of mine who has been sworn to Borg for close to 240 ingame hours. He has no one under him. He hunted for 1.4 million and passed up 605K XP to Borg for a passup rate of 43.2% That's with a loyalty skill that buffed to 260 at the time. The typical passup rate for a lot of chainers will be around 20% - 25% because of how often they get a new patron. Figure how much raw XP you hunt for during a typical week, then figure 25% of it for a normal passup. Then figure a 50% passup if your loyalty bonus was maxed. Now figure what will happen to XP in the chain if nearly everyone has a maxed loyalty bonus. You will be talking about hundreds of millions of XP every week because of not reswearing very often.
Whatever the details of the promotion policy will be, one of the results will be that people don't move very often. Promotion policies have always been that way. Think back to how many times people have been promoted in the past year in the Food Chain; I think I can probably count them on my fingers.
We have not forgotten about a promotion policy, but the one we offered is full of holes, so it is being re-thought. One of the reasons for the poll is to find out why people want promoted and what they want from the chain(s). The purpose behind the formation of the Order of Hyssop was to increase the flow of XP. Part of that process was to raise the quota and 12 million was the place that seemed to be the "best" place to start. I am sure we will raise the quota as time goes on. 12 million added is not very hard to do for 126+ and as the loyalty bonuses continue to build it will become easier and easier to get.
The primary emphasis for the OH was not grouping people together based on level number, based on time spent previously in the chain, or based on any of the other "it should have been done this way" reasons I have seen people toss up. The original swearing order was based solely on previous chain order. For the most part, that means a level order within the original insertees, but the swearing wasn't done for that purpose; it was done to maintain as much of the loyalty bonus as possible.
Any future insertions and any promotions will be done as much as possible in a way to maximize loyalty bonuses. People wanted an XP chain that offered more XP that the Food Chain, and the Order of Hyssop will do that. It is going to take some time to let the loyalty bonuses build, because it takes a while to log 240 hours of ingame time. This is not to say we will not have a promotion policy, we need one. Any promotion policy needs to reward performance and most likely needs to have some sort of "punishment" if a promoted person decides to retire from hunting after they reach their new home.
The chains have different purposes and choosing which one you want to belong to is neither good nor bad. The Casual Chain is for the casual hunter. The Food Chain is mostly sorted by levels while offering a competitive chain. The Order of Hyssop is supposed to maximize stability and long-term XP growth through increased quotas, maximized loyalty bonuses, and a membership who are all 126+.
I hunted this morning for a little bit with a lvl 50 of mine who has been sworn to Borg for close to 240 ingame hours. He has no one under him. He hunted for 1.4 million and passed up 605K XP to Borg for a passup rate of 43.2% That's with a loyalty skill that buffed to 260 at the time. The typical passup rate for a lot of chainers will be around 20% - 25% because of how often they get a new patron. Figure how much raw XP you hunt for during a typical week, then figure 25% of it for a normal passup. Then figure a 50% passup if your loyalty bonus was maxed. Now figure what will happen to XP in the chain if nearly everyone has a maxed loyalty bonus. You will be talking about hundreds of millions of XP every week because of not reswearing very often.
Whatever the details of the promotion policy will be, one of the results will be that people don't move very often. Promotion policies have always been that way. Think back to how many times people have been promoted in the past year in the Food Chain; I think I can probably count them on my fingers.
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DL
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I have raised my loyalty....does anyone think for 1 sec those above me will get a driven need and feel compelled to go hunt for more than their required quota because of this? It's sad that these high level players are barely making quotas and feel no need to contribute more than 12m....by doing this it's what makes the ones below them frustrated...we see them doing very little for a whole lot more than they give.....it's the fact they don't try to give anymore than asked of them.
Also....if you look down the chain....these are not the only ones who have chosen to do this in the OH....but they are the most noticable.
Eventually I can see the OH being an uber chain based on loyalty bonuses and hard hunting players....but it will never be able to offer it's full potential because of those sitting in positions where players are taking advantage of huge amounts of xp passed up but only putting a small amount back into the chain.
Perhaps instead of promotions we need to look at DEMOTIONS and move players down the chain based on their lack of desire or time to play and then those hunting for more then 12m, will eventually reach the upper portion of the chain where they all feel they should rightfully be based on performance.
Take a good hard look at the Credit/Debit column and it's easy to see who our weakest links are.....I'm not a top performer....but I'm not a weak link either.
Ura and Khaz...I'm sorry you missed the opportunity to be at the top....however...you had the same amount of time to sign up that everyone else had....the fact you didn't see it and get signed up on 1st round is not the fault of those above you. It had nothing to do with LUCK...it had a whole lot to do with READING the forums which we are required as chain members to do.
Also....if you look down the chain....these are not the only ones who have chosen to do this in the OH....but they are the most noticable.
Eventually I can see the OH being an uber chain based on loyalty bonuses and hard hunting players....but it will never be able to offer it's full potential because of those sitting in positions where players are taking advantage of huge amounts of xp passed up but only putting a small amount back into the chain.
Perhaps instead of promotions we need to look at DEMOTIONS and move players down the chain based on their lack of desire or time to play and then those hunting for more then 12m, will eventually reach the upper portion of the chain where they all feel they should rightfully be based on performance.
Take a good hard look at the Credit/Debit column and it's easy to see who our weakest links are.....I'm not a top performer....but I'm not a weak link either.
Ura and Khaz...I'm sorry you missed the opportunity to be at the top....however...you had the same amount of time to sign up that everyone else had....the fact you didn't see it and get signed up on 1st round is not the fault of those above you. It had nothing to do with LUCK...it had a whole lot to do with READING the forums which we are required as chain members to do.
Dangerous Lady
I'm an AC addict...do I want help for my addiction?...NO!!!
I'm an AC addict...do I want help for my addiction?...NO!!!
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Khaz-Modaan
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Well, it helps to know the situation you're criticizing, DL - I thought I *had* signed up - I wasn't looking for an official signup post, because I had already posted somewhere else, thinking that was the official signup.
It wasn't so much a "wasn't reading the forums" as a "didn't understand what was going on."
But whatever, it doesn't really matter.
It wasn't so much a "wasn't reading the forums" as a "didn't understand what was going on."
But whatever, it doesn't really matter.
I read a book saying that women are from venus, all right? So here's what you get her: Thick layers of sulfuric acid, viscous surface rock, and coronae which seem to be collapsed domes over large magma chambers. Here's $5.
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Oof
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Especially since when I looked a minute ago, Khaz has the highest Per Day Average XP being passed to him of anyone in the chain. 
It's not all about position.
DL, I think a demotion policy may be something that is part of the promotion policy, but it's too early to tell yet because we haven't played scenarioes out far enough yet. Also, keep in mind that promotions/demotions based strictly on percentages tend to encourage macroing, and that's something we are trying hard not to encourage.
It's not all about position.DL, I think a demotion policy may be something that is part of the promotion policy, but it's too early to tell yet because we haven't played scenarioes out far enough yet. Also, keep in mind that promotions/demotions based strictly on percentages tend to encourage macroing, and that's something we are trying hard not to encourage.
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Kazsam
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Umm "demotions", too be honest I really cant see why people are moaning if peole are JUST making quota, no-one says anyone has to go out and make over quota, even though its obviously nice for us all to get the xtra xp
But as long as people are making quota then noone has any rights to moan at them for not making more.
Some people like purely to lvl in AC, others like to chat, quest or loot hunt, people who purely lvl do not have the right to dictate how others play the game so long as the quota and guidelines for OH /or FC are being met.
But as long as people are making quota then noone has any rights to moan at them for not making more.
Some people like purely to lvl in AC, others like to chat, quest or loot hunt, people who purely lvl do not have the right to dictate how others play the game so long as the quota and guidelines for OH /or FC are being met.
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Eternal Flames
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