Trekman wrote:People who are so proud that they "easily can hunt much much more than 12m" are heartily invited to do so. But that does not give them the right to demand that from everyone else - even in OH.
Did somebody demand something? I thought we were democratically discussing it. By participating in the OH, you agree to abide by the OH rules. As we've seen lately, they are subject to change.
Trekman wrote:
But the question is not if someone can hunt additional 3m. The question is whether policies and numbers are worth anything to rely on. I understand the need for dynamics and change, but clan/chain policies should have a certain minimal half-life.....those quota discussions come faster than you can be added to the OH anyway.
When was the last time we discussed quota? When the OH was formed I think. Why shouldn't we change for the better if we can?
Trekman wrote:
I once thought that a policy is some sort of treaty - I have to fulfill my duties as acknowledged when joining. But apparently a chain policy is nothing more than a playground for XP addicts and subject to change faster than the chain itself settles.
Nobody is asking you to leave the OH, if I recall. Are you saying you couldn't make another 3M or 12M passup? By definition, this is a high output chain segment. If you don't want to do that, say so, but calling people XP addicts is pot, kettle, black.
Trekman wrote:
I mean - despite the good work of our Admins due to the complexity you wait up to several weeks to be placed at the bottom of the OH. Once there you already read that the quota might be raised because some people much higher in the OH cannot get enough free XP ?
Yes, it is hard to get into the OH, because the OH is such a desirable place to be. The XP flows well, and the reason it flows well is because we adapted policy to allow the high-producers to flourish. 'some people much higher' is not accurate. Many people have talked about this policy. I'm sure we'll hear from more people later. This thread is only 2 days old.
Trekman wrote:
Which brings me to what I also read here - that we are in the HIGH OUTPUT part of a CHAIN - in capitals.
I respectfully have to disagree. We are in a clan which happens to have a chain which happens to have 3 different output "regions".
If you are eager to be in a HIGH OUTPUT CHAIN I am sure LSD is more than happy to welcome another victim.
You are very confused. The OH
is the high output portion of the chain. You can't tell people to leave because they want things better. That is as much of a misdirection as telling people who lobby for different laws 'go live in another country!'. Wanting things to be different and better is not the same as not being loyal to LD.
Trekman wrote:
Another aspect, concerning me personally :
I admit that although this is a clan with chains and not vice versa I had some expectations when joining the OH. And those were painfully failed - and a quota even 4x higher than 12m would not have solved it because the reason was my very small movement within the whole chain from FC-top to OH-bottom.
I am even considering to leave OH again. If you enter the OH from somewhere further down the FC you might see an increase in received XP.
But I have to produce twice the quota than before without gaining any more XP than I did before I only switched places with Phade to become the bottom of OH.
To ask me now whether to raise the quota even a tiny bit almost makes me angry.
See, this confuses me. You admit that you're not doing as well in OH as you did in FC, but you don't want to improve OH? Right now, there's no stimulus in OH to do anything other than earn the bare minimum XP. Advancement is ....ridiculously difficult. It will literally take years to get to the top of the OH, even if you earn 500M a day.
So why not improve flow through the whole OH, so that we all benefit better? The OH was
supposed to be the high output hardcode players. Not a place for 126+s to retire to. Which is mostly what it is now.
Trekman wrote:
Sure, two OH people are below me now. But their current numbers fulfill the promotion requirements so I can foresee that they will pass me, leaving me at the end of the OH again.
They work harder, they deserve to pass you, don't they?...
Trekman wrote:
You might say "just produce more so they cannot pass you" - but that is exactly what I do *not* want to do or I could go to LSD as well.
I just decline the idea that a chain is a competition where I have to parry attacks of my chain-vassal trying to pass me.
I don't think you should think of it as an attack. These are your friends and clanmates! Shouldn't we all rejoice when they advance? It isn't a competition, really. I know what it feels like to be jumped, having been doing this kind of stuff for a while, and it doesn't feel good to be left behind, but if they earned it, kudos to them.
Trekman wrote:
If they are entitled to pass me, so be it and kudos to them.
But as long as I fulfill the requirements and pass my 12m quota I should have some benefit from the OH - which I currently definitely don't have.
As long as the "problem of being the bottom of OH" is not solved I do not even consider to vote for a quota raise.
Trekman the Axeman 178 Success 102.69 % 99.62 % 18 2003-07-18 20:35:33 25,209,117 937,352,054 1,647,210,975 966,242,19
almost a billion, but not a benefit?
Trekman wrote:
As a sidenote I honestly do not understand how I can get "only" 20-50 mil. per day when my chain-vassal and grand-chain-vassal show >110% in the %quota column. The same 20-50 mil. I got when I was almost at the top of the FC (I even have the impression I got more XP/day back then).
Are those %quota numbers accumulated from back then when they were in FC ?
If you look at the numbers, the even people far below you help you earn XP.
(1 million xp) (how many step below a vassal passing 1M is)
1000000*.9375
937500.0000 1 (direct vassal)
.*.9375
878906.2500 2 (grand vassal)
.*.9375
823974.6093 3 (great grand vassal)
.*.9375
772476.1962 4 (great great grand vassal)
.*.9375
724196.4339 5 (great great great grand vassal)
.*.9375
678934.1567 6 (you didn't think i was gonna name em all did you?)
.*.9375
636500.7719 7
.*.9375
596719.4736 8
.*.9375
559424.5065 9
.*.9375
524460.4748 10
.*.9375
491681.6951 11
.*.9375
460951.5891 12
.*.9375
432142.1147 13
.*.9375
405133.2325 14
.*.9375
379812.4054 15
.*.9375
356074.1300 16
.*.9375
333819.4968 17
.*.9375
312955.7782 18
.*.9375
293396.0420 19
.*.9375
275058.7893 20
.*.9375
257867.6149 21
.*.9375
241750.8889 22
.*.9375
226641.4583 23
.*.9375
212476.3671 24
.*.9375
199196.5941 25
.*.9375
186746.8069 26
.*.9375
175075.1314 27
.*.9375
164132.9356 28
.*.9375
153874.6271 29
.*.9375
144257.4629 30
.*.9375
135241.3714 31
.*.9375
126788.7856 32
.*.9375
118864.4865 33
.*.9375
111435.4560 34
.*.9375
104470.7400 35
.*.9375
97941.3187 36
.*.9375
91819.9862 37
.*.9375
86081.2370 38
.*.9375
80701.1596 39
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75657.3371 40
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