THIS EFFECTS EVERYONE IN THE CHAIN

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:28 pm

I was going to post removal orders this afternoon for the people who show as being behind in the OH and FC but with the server crashes this afternoon I can't tell if the people who were far behind on quota are still actually behind or if they have caught up but crashed while still hunting.

Because the quota listing may very well not be accurate I have decided to wait until tomorrow to post removal orders.

This is the important part. We have been way too slack in the past about removing quota failers. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE!!!

From now on, any time I see someone in the Food Chain or the Order of Hyssop who is 3.5 million behind on quota or more, I will post removal orders. I am going to talk to the other chain managers about helping me monitor chain performance and posting orders anytime they see quota failers too. Also, once removal orders have been posted, they will be carried out. If the quota failer meets quota before the people involved have sworn around him/her, they are to swear around anyway.

Folks, I don't want to post removal orders, ever. However, this is an XP chain, made up of people who want to maximize XP production without the constraints of our chain rules. If you are failing on quota you are taking XP away from everyone above you in the chain, and it isn't right.

This post will serve as notice of a heightened awareness of quota failers by the management. If you don't have a comfortable XP credit balance built up, you should go start working on one now.

I apologize for having allowed us to become so slack on quota production. The other managers have been trying hard to balance quota requirements with being nice and helpful (sorry for accusing you other managers of being nice). Sometimes it's my job to be the mean one.

There won't be any slacker lists anymore. If someone is failing quota, removal orders will be posted without warning. Your warning for quota failure is the chain listing page. You should know before we do when you are close to failing quota.

Any questions or comments, free feel to post here.

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:47 pm

Would like to bring up another point. We have so many stickies going on with various moves that have been waiting for completion for way too long. This has to make insertion orders close to impossible for the chain managers.

If a move can't be completed in 1 week, it should be cancelled and repost orders for those to be chained around for not responding to the origional orders!

I can't imagine how the managers have put up with the slacking on insert and removal orders for this long!

grimly fiendish · Post by **grimly fiendish** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:11 am

i am not behind at all but i had a few questions and comments

first of all i dont see how this could work as i have put my chain patron over 3.5 mill in debt in a night or 2 before that means anyone who cant log onfor a day or so due to work,school,zone comeing down,illness,or just because they want to spend a day outside could find themselves removed before they know it

also removeing someone as soon as they hit 3.5 debt doesnt take into consideration how buggy this whole clan acstats system is i see tons of posts by ppl who are not haveing the right xp totals show up or cant get it to upload in fact dreamsaver/tempting fate could get 3 out of 4 to upload and all are well over the quota to the tune of 50-120 mill yet with your new rule one of their characters would have been removed long ago for failing quota

another example of bugginess is my character kelsa ravenlock
she started updateing to the clan site at the same time my character urbain grandier did and generated alot more xp than he did yet on the acstats page it showed kelsa 1.7 mill in debt and urbain at 205% at the time also it showed kelsa only on the list for 1 day and urbain on for a week

also ppl who cant log in on the day they reset to day 1 are in really big trouble

another group of ppl you will be getting rid of is the weekend player you have my 2 character and 4 characters of my friends all in one group and we tend to play together on mon-wed during the times we are trying to get exp we can make 50-150 mill with not to much trouble so lets just average it all out to 200 mill a work week a character thats 1.2 billion in earned xp between mon and thur i think its safe to say that if we all (the 6 characters) went exp hunting one week we could put alot of ppl under quota and have them removed in whole blocks before they even got back in game on fri night

and of course there is the group that slacks for a week then next week doubles whatever they get so in the end they are pumping up the chain alot more then the ppl who just stay at quota so i may be wrong but as i understand it the chain resets every 21 days if this is true then these ppl will be gone the first time the chain reset happens at a bad time for them
of course if it doesnt reset this bit is meaningless but i thought it important enough to add just in case

anyway im not going to go on lets just say that if ya decide to follow this course of action ya might as well kick everyone out of the chain as sooner or later everyone will be under for a day due to RL computer probs acstat bugs or whatever

as a suggestion maybe we should have 1 or 2 week reveiw times or maybe (even though its bad for me as i work 12 hour shifts on week ends and spend a few hours in transit )we should check for slackers on mon or again you could pick a magic number of days say 11 and 21 just for an example and anyone showing these many days and under gets a boot or anyone over 14 days and in debt gets the boot

basicaly IMHO just picking random names from a hat would be a better system (that is if the lists work as ive been told and seen and reset every 21 days)

grimly fiendish · Post by **grimly fiendish** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:13 am

P.S. please do what ever ya have to so that kelsa ravenlock and urbain grandier will show up on the food chain i dont want to get the boot for not reporting when i am

thx

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:33 am

Sorry grimly, I should have included the way the quota works again. I'll post an explanation shortly. I'm on a quick break from work right now, so don't have time to do just yet. The short version is that the quota listing does NOT reset after 21 days; it is a rolling 21 day window that reports the last 21 days of your hunting.

Regarding computer problems, vacations, and things like that, we have always worked around things like that and will continue to make exceptions as long as chain members let us know what is going on.

To all of the chain members who haven't been in the chain for a long time, I apologize for making basically half a post. I forgot for a bit that not everything has seen the various strings of posts about how the quota works. We're not going to be monsters about kicking people out of the chain, but we're not going to let slackers continue to slack and take XP away from the chain members who do what they are supposed to do.

More on this in a bit. Just keep in mind that if you're doing what you need to do and making the 6 million or 12 million XP per week (depending on the chain), no one has anything to worry about.

grimly fiendish · Post by **grimly fiendish** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:51 am

ya might want to hold off on that for a bit the servers are screwed up again this is the 3day in a row ive wanted to go hunt but couldnt

dreamsaver · Post by **dreamsaver** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:12 am

me too logged out to take a shower and can't get back in

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:37 am

Duly noted.

Again, the intent here is not to actually remove anyone. The intent is to help encourage people to take responsibility for the chain commitments.

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:24 am

Hmm, no one responded to my post here.

Also a comment: If everyone is showing up with a 3.5 million defecit with no post to explain why, then why are they in a chain? I really don't think the policy (i must add, this is not new) will get that many booted from the chain.

If people would build up a bank, they would not have to worry about falling behind!

Getting massive amounts of xp in these chains is sweet but not free!

Kazsam · Post by **Kazsam** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:33 am

ummm..... tag

grimly fiendish · Post by **grimly fiendish** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 8:07 am

well im not up on how everything works AC but it was my understanding that if someone hasnt responded to a chain insertion post in 4 days ya tell the manager and then get to swear around them but maybe thats just the ones ive seen and not all

also with the stickies question there is a new board for the insertion orders

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:08 am

Sorry Ac, I missed you post. Acaddict wrote

Would like to bring up another point. We have so many stickies going on with various moves that have been waiting for completion for way too long. This has to make insertion orders close to impossible for the chain managers.

If a move can't be completed in 1 week, it should be cancelled and repost orders for those to be chained around for not responding to the origional orders!

I can't imagine how the managers have put up with the slacking on insert and removal orders for this long!

The rule is that we leave orders alone for four days. After four days, we can, and try to, post new orders if we haven't heard anything from one of the people involved. As long as people are posting and showing they are trying to swear we generally leave them alone.

You are right in that having so many outstanding insertion orders makes it very difficult to figure out who is going where, especially in the lower part of the chain where levels change so quickly. If the insertees would even post a simple, "I leveled again to level xxx" that would help streamline things a lot.

I think it will be fixed soon.

Aero · Post by **Aero** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:28 am

Will get my quota to the plus side as soon as server gets cleared up

brackatees · Post by **brackatees** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:23 am

Good idea Oof . . . glad to see this in motion.
looks as if following the rules to being in said chain huh ?

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:41 am

I'm trying to start implementing a stricter adherence to the rules.

It will make everything work a lot better for everyone in the chain.

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