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Coji · Post by **Coji** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:04 am

if i make 10 million xp (for rounding purposes), how much should i pass up?

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:40 am

Depending on how long you've been sworn to your patron (hours of actual in-game time), you should be passing up roughly between 3 million to 5 million XP for every 10 million XP earned from hunting.

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:01 pm

Can you give us an exact formula?

Dave_Mustaine · Post by **Dave_Mustaine** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:05 pm

Lagmatic and Coji. Since the beginning of chains we've been running on a "rule of thumb" of 25% as the answer to your question. Recently that number appears to be a little off but, its still a good rule of thumb to figure out how much you need to hunt for.

To put it another way, figure it like this. This is not an exact science, it's a round-about figure. For every 4 million you hunt for, you pass up 1. In a 6 mill chain, you need to hunt for approximately 24 million.

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:13 pm

Well, we used to use the 'rough estimate' method of 24% for a long time. However, the thread on raising your loyalty brings this into question.

What loyalty skill is required to hit that 24 or 25%, and after you crank it up to say 300, what is the passup then?

Dave_Mustaine · Post by **Dave_Mustaine** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:25 pm

I'll save this one for Oof because his sources seem to be more accurate than mine.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:34 pm

There are different reports of things. I started to go run a test for a few hours earlier this week, but chain things interrupted that. The formula that has been posted on Crossroads of Dereth for a long time (no official confirmation from Turbine,but don't look for that one) is:

8.9% + (7% per every 100 points of loyalty). Your loyalty number doubles after 240 hours or in-game time sworn to your patron.

With no loyalty bonus: Buffed Loyalty/Passup percentage

000 / 8.9%
050 / 12.4%
100 / 15.9%
150 / 19.4%
200 / 22.9%
250 / 26.4%
300 / 29.9%

With maxed loyalty bonus: Buffed Loyalty/Passup percentage

000 / 8.9%
050 / 15.9%
100 / 22.9%
150 / 29.9%
200 / 36.9%
250 / 43.9%
300 / 50.8%

You can figure the 300 in the example above if the same as a loyalty of 600 without any loyalty bonus (except for the fact you can't raise loyalty to a base of 600). I do NOT know for a fact the numbers are accurate. What I do know is that I passed up about 43% from Another BM to Borg a while back, with 300 buffed loyalty on Another BM. However, the amount of XP was pretty small, about a million hunted, and since they pass up big chunks of XP at a time now, I might have had 100K already in the pool before I started hunting. I will try to hunt for a few hours and verify this once and for all but it will probably be next week before I get a chance to.

Coji · Post by **Coji** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 6:08 pm

Oof, can i go fellow with Borg or one of your characters to see if my what Coji passes up? For some reason, it just doesnt seem like my character passes up the right amount of xp.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 6:34 pm

Coji, you are more than welcome to hunt with Borg anytime you want, but, in this case, it won't help you any on figuring that out. The reason I used Another BM and Borg is that BM is on a second account of mine and he has been sworn to Borg for a long time. For you to run a test like I did, you would need to hunt with Ly'Sham Slik, and even then, it would be hard to tell I'm afraid.

If you want to figure out exactly what you are passing up do this: As soon as you log in, but before you start hunting, write down the XP numbers for your character's total XP, the XP you have passed up to your patron, and the XP each of your vassals has passed to you. Make sure you write those numbers down BEFORE you start killing things.

Then, go hunt for a while. The longer you can hunt, the more accurate the numbers will be. As soon as you are done hunting, as the last thing you do before you log out, write down your numbers again. Write down the XP for your character's total XP, the XP you have passed to your patron, and the XP from each of your vassals.

Then either PM me the numbers or you can post them here if you want. You can figure them if you like, but I'll be glad to do that for you. Take the difference between your before and after XP numbers.

Ending total XP - Beginning total XP will tell you how much XP you increased by while hunting.

Ending Patron XP - Beginning Patron XP will tell you how much XP you passed to your patron. This includes both the chain passup and the hunted XP.

Ending Vassal XP - Beginning Vassal XP will tell you how much XP you received from your vassals during the hunting session.

You can figure you will pass up 75% of the XP you took in from your vassals. Anything left over after that is XP you gave to your patron from your hunted XP.

The easiest thing for you to do is probably to write down your XP numbers before and after a long hunting sessions and give the numbers to me. Since I'm used to fooling around with them anyway, it might not be as painful for me.

The one thing that will kill your passup faster than anything else is to let your buffs drop while hunting. Especially for those of us without leadership trained, if we let our leadership/loyalty/willpower buffs drop while hunting, our passthrough can drop so low it is almost impossible to meet quota.

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:03 pm

/e staggers at all the numbers in his head.

Coji · Post by **Coji** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 8:00 pm

lol, how can i find my total xp to start? each time i log in and out it changes from vassal xp

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 8:28 pm

Pressing F8 or F9 either one will show your total XP near the top of the attributes/skills screen. Looking in the allegiance information will show the patron and vassal XP.

Yes, sometimes the numbers are too much:)

Lucky Strike · Post by **Lucky Strike** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:01 pm

On some of my other toons who clearly have met the loyalty bonus thing and who aren't in the chain seem to passup about 18% of their hunted XP. I haven't noticed much difference in raising loyalty although everyone says it helps.

Even with my higher level toons I don't think its anywhere near as high as everyone thinks.

Just what I've observed on my toons.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:28 pm

Oof wrote:8.9% + (7% per every 100 points of loyalty)

I believe that formula already includes the time bonus. Ie, it is 7% per 200 points of loyalty if you have no time bonus, and 7% per 100 points if you have full loyalty bonus.

Coji, what you can do is take a screenshot of your character stats with unassigned xp or something, and another of your allegiance tab. Let a day or two pass without spending the unassigned xp, and do not do any of those pincer quests or other that give xp reward that is not passed up, since it screws with the numbers. Then take two new screenshots. If you dont want to do number crunching, just post them somewhere and I'll give you a hand, only takes a few minutes.

...or I can go do a little mini calc for it, brb.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:11 pm

http://lastdynasty.org/utils/passup.php

Check if that puts out numbers that seem reasonable.