Why is the Casual Chain under Dezayn and not the lowest 126?

[Oof]

LOL, I figured as much. But sometimes subtlety is lost upon me, and I wanted to post something very clear so that no one reading the thread decided to start advertising a spontaneous chain. And here I thought when I saw that Lagmatic had replied, you were responding to my PK quasi-threat, and was offering to teach me (possibly by killing me several thousand times).

[Lagmatic]

IF YOU KEEP THIS UP, I'll BURY YOU IN BODIES!

HAHA! SO MANY LAGMATIC CORPSES YOU CAN'T EVEN RECALL!

[Panzerfaust]

There is no need for name calling or finger pointing. If you're going to debate the topics, then please stick to the relevant points.


And, be nice.

[Oof]

Yes, boss. Just trying to keep the tone light.

[Lagmatic]

I don't think he was talking to you, Oof.

[Oof]

[Dezayn]

Ok Lag....you win. I was completely wrong to insinuate that I did not appreciate the tone of your post:

Lagmatic wrote:

So I am allowed to start my own casual chain then? Cool.

Expect my posts on this soon.

I will just have to accept the fact that your post was done with the intentions of promoting constructive discussion.

[Lagmatic]

Ok Lag....you win. I was completely wrong to insinuate that I did not appreciate the tone of your post:

Lagmatic wrote:

So I am allowed to start my own casual chain then? Cool.

Expect my posts on this soon.

I will just have to accept the fact that your post was done with the intentions of promoting constructive discussion.

As I pointed out to Oof, my point in this is that such activity is proscribed.

Will you be responding to the rest of what I wrote?

[Dezayn]

I am not sure how to reply...

On a personal level, I feel that any complaints of unfairness are ultimately unfounded, for the reasons I presented earlier. So, my pride would have me argue those points, purely for the sake of arguement.

On the other hand, I also try to avoid any APPEARANCE of unfairness. You stated before that I was in a "sweet" position...I beg to differ. I am forced to choose between my position in the Food Chain, or my allegiance to the Casual Chain. Why? Because SOME think it is unfair. Certainly, I could keep my position in the Food Chain and have the Casual Chain moved elsewhere, and I would still be the CC General Manager. So, I must decide between position and prestigue, or symbolic loyalty to the chain I created.

What would be the most FAIR to everyone is complete separation of the chains, and all the CC managers unanimously agreed on this point. However, what is the most fair does not always equate into what is the BEST thing to do.

We felt a compromise could be made. We would put the CC at the very lowest level of the FC as possible, thus providing more xp for more people. However, in principle, the FC is not automatically entitled to the xp the CC generates...the CC is NOT a feeder chain. So, in exchange for this extra XP boost, the FC managers graciuosly agreed to place a lower level cap of 75 on the FC.

We are now coordinating and combining our recruiting efforts. We are going to promote the CC as a spring board into the FC (for below level 75). For more details, check out:

http://www.lastdynasty.net/recruit.htm

We were dotting the i's and crossing the t's of this "deal" when this thread started up. We hope to see the completion of all this in the near future.

[Culticon]

Sweet good Job again guys

[Kythden]

More whining great.

1. If any one feels it is not fair that they have to ask panzer for permission to start a chain (other than just ordinary vassels as oof pointed out.) always has another option. They can find another Monarchy

2. If any one feels that it is not fair that Dez gets pass up from his vassels, get rid of all your vassels then email the devs that pass up is not fair. Dez was not given the people under him he earned them, he is there patron, just like oof is mine. I enterned the food chain for a while, but am much happier back under oof, and if he were to leave again so would I. That is why he is my patron and I am his vassel.

3. Call a spade a spade. Yes I am the one that made the greed comment, not dez or any one else. I still believe that is what it is about, if not for you then for your friends. The sources who are afraid to come forward and post on there own, let them come forward, if they have honesty and truth in there hearts then they have nothing to fear, if it is petty greed, then ofcourse they do not want to take credit for what they have started, it is easier to hid behind someone else, and reprehensable.

4. No system is perfact, you can never please everyone. Personaly I think you all should be THANKING Dez, and I will start

Thank you Dez for bringing some great people (your self included) to LD
Thank you Dez for taking your own personal time to admin the CC
Thank you Dez for alowing other members of LD into your close nit group of friends so they can be part of what you set up.
Thank you Dez for being a concerned LDer and trying to find a compromise (even when you are the one that is wronged)

I am sure there is more to thank Dez for but I do not know him very well.
In fact I barely know him at all, but I am willing to stick by him, because I think it is disgusting what is going on.

I will be honest. Lagmatic your post about starting your own chain, in my honest opinion was in NO WAY ment to foster further discussion, it was a snide snip at Dez ment to sting and anony, and then blowing it off as being CONSTRUCTIVE?? that is even worse and more childish.

I will not write any more at this moment because I am getting more and more upset. All I really have to say is go look in the mirrior everyone, think about why you really are making a big deal about this, I bet some can not even be honest with them selfs.

My appologies to Oof and Panzer, because I know this post is at least boarderline flaming, but I feel that others are getting away with unacceptable behavior, and I can not sit quiet.

[Lagmatic]

More whining great.

1. If any one feels it is not fair that they have to ask panzer for permission to start a chain (other than just ordinary vassels as oof pointed out.) always has another option. They can find another Monarchy

So anybody who disagrees with anything should immediately be ejected from the monarchy?

2. If any one feels that it is not fair that Dez gets pass up from his vassels, get rid of all your vassels then email the devs that pass up is not fair. Dez was not given the people under him he earned them, he is there patron, just like oof is mine. I enterned the food chain for a while, but am much happier back under oof, and if he were to leave again so would I. That is why he is my patron and I am his vassel.

Nobody is complaining that Dez gets passup from vassals. Thats a good thing. They're saying the OFFICIAL LD CASUAL CHAIN, NOT DEZ'S VASSALS might do MORE good for the ENTIRE CLAN by being unde the lowest 126. This isn't directly related to Dez at all. Anybody in his dual-chain position would be the person we're speaking to. That Dez is in charge of the CC puts things in a unique perspective.

3. Call a spade a spade. Yes I am the one that made the greed comment, not dez or any one else. I still believe that is what it is about, if not for you then for your friends. The sources who are afraid to come forward and post on there own, let them come forward, if they have honesty and truth in there hearts then they have nothing to fear, if it is petty greed, then ofcourse they do not want to take credit for what they have started, it is easier to hid behind someone else, and reprehensable.

I am 145. I will get ZILCH from making this change. You are WAY out of line for calling me greedy.

Obviously, based on your attack, the people not speaking DEFINITELY DO have something to fear. Look at how angry everybody is at me for _suggesting things could be more beneficial to more people_.

Look at your earlier message, you suggest complainers leave the monarchy. But they've got nothing to fear?

4. No system is perfact, you can never please everyone. Personaly I think you all should be THANKING Dez, and I will start

Thank you Dez for bringing some great people (your self included) to LD
Thank you Dez for taking your own personal time to admin the CC
Thank you Dez for alowing other members of LD into your close nit group of friends so they can be part of what you set up.
Thank you Dez for being a concerned LDer and trying to find a compromise (even when you are the one that is wronged)

I am sure there is more to thank Dez for but I do not know him very well.
In fact I barely know him at all, but I am willing to stick by him, because I think it is disgusting what is going on.

This has nothing to do with being appreciative of Dez. We are all appreciative of what he brings to the clan, which is far more than being a chain admin.

I will be honest. Lagmatic your post about starting your own chain, in my honest opinion was in NO WAY ment to foster further discussion, it was a snide snip at Dez ment to sting and anony, and then blowing it off as being CONSTRUCTIVE?? that is even worse and more childish.

You didn't read what I wrote.

I wrote that post in reaction to what dez said. He said we could start our own if I didn't like it. I was merely pointing out, as you saw oof point out, that you CAN'T start a competing chain - It is not approved behavior.

Notice how I DIDN'T POST ANYTHING. This is a verbal tool known as Sarcasm.

I will not write any more at this moment because I am getting more and more upset. All I really have to say is go look in the mirrior everyone, think about why you really are making a big deal about this, I bet some can not even be honest with them selfs.

My appologies to Oof and Panzer, because I know this post is at least boarderline flaming, but I feel that others are getting away with unacceptable behavior, and I can not sit quiet.

It is true that one should not write things when they're upset, because people often say things that they don't mean.

I hope I cleared up some of your misconceptions here.

All I suggested, and all I continue to suggest, is a single change that would cause greater benefit for a larger group of lower level.

And that is all I suggest.

[Lagmatic]

I am not sure how to reply...

On a personal level, I feel that any complaints of unfairness are ultimately unfounded, for the reasons I presented earlier. So, my pride would have me argue those points, purely for the sake of arguement.

On the other hand, I also try to avoid any APPEARANCE of unfairness. You stated before that I was in a "sweet" position...I beg to differ. I am forced to choose between my position in the Food Chain, or my allegiance to the Casual Chain. Why? Because SOME think it is unfair. Certainly, I could keep my position in the Food Chain and have the Casual Chain moved elsewhere, and I would still be the CC General Manager. So, I must decide between position and prestigue, or symbolic loyalty to the chain I created.

What would be the most FAIR to everyone is complete separation of the chains, and all the CC managers unanimously agreed on this point. However, what is the most fair does not always equate into what is the BEST thing to do.

We felt a compromise could be made. We would put the CC at the very lowest level of the FC as possible, thus providing more xp for more people. However, in principle, the FC is not automatically entitled to the xp the CC generates...the CC is NOT a feeder chain. So, in exchange for this extra XP boost, the FC managers graciuosly agreed to place a lower level cap of 75 on the FC.

We are now coordinating and combining our recruiting efforts. We are going to promote the CC as a spring board into the FC (for below level 75). For more details, check out:

http://www.lastdynasty.net/recruit.htm

We were dotting the i's and crossing the t's of this "deal" when this thread started up. We hope to see the completion of all this in the near future.

Dez, this is a truly gracious and fabulous decision.

You have my utmost respect, despite what other people have posted.

[Kythden]

Just to clarify I never stated that they should be kicked from the monarchy, I stated that they have a choice, there are other choices too, which includes apealing to the HC. but they can always chose to leave, I never implied or stated that they should be forced out.

and the lowest level 126 in the food chain is NOT helping the entire clan, it is only helping the level 126+ people in the FC.

I never said that you personaly would get anything out of the change you are preposing, but your whole argument to move it to the bottom of the 126ers is that it would help more people. You then negate your argument by saying you would get zilch out of it. Which is it?

Weather or not it helps any one in the food chain is irelevant, and maybe I got off track and did not make that point clear.

The CC has nothing to do with the FC weather it goes directly to Panzer (or his mule) or goes to a level 12 monster ID specialised noob at the bottom of the food chain (sarcasm) is irellevent, it has nothing to do with the food chain. It is NON XP once it gets above the CC.

What I mean by that is the XP is not intended to go to anyone specific after the last person in the CC. the chain is over at that point.

I understand that it does have to go some where, as does all xp from everything that is killed in the game. But unless we organise the whole of LD into a chain it will not always benifit those in the FC. But then it is not ment to.

I understand the desire some may have to want a piece of that Pie. I also understand that it (the CC) has become a sanctioned by LD giving it offcial status, but from what I understand the MAJORITY of them are made up of his orrig vassels, he brought over 30 in his "Little" cahin, There are not alot of people in the CC chain now.

And no they do not have anything to fear, let them ask thier questions, let them get thier answers, I have never gotten upset for someone asking a question, it is only after the question is answered and I FELL (I state that so EVERYONE know this is MY opinion and not a quote or specific statement that I read) that the matter is pressed for less than benine (I know that is spelled way wrong, I hope you know what I mean.)

I am no longer in the food Chain, this will be my last post on this part of the board. I just felt that Dez was getting ganged up on in some respects. I felt the question was fair, after reading the answer I felt that should have been the end of it. I felt that the way it was pursued after it was answerd was wrong.

Sorry if I ofended you Lag or any one else, I do not mean to ofend just feel that things should have gone differently is all.

My concinece is clear, and I hope every one elses is too.

Good luck to everyone in the food chain, I will see you around the rest of the board.

[Panzerfaust]

Let this rest.

It has been resolved.

Wimp will float below the lowest 126.