Formalized 126+ Chain Insertion Policy

Gimped Mage · Post by **Gimped Mage** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:02 pm

I have contributed lots to this clan ... so has baz i remeber him paying a whole months rent to mansion right out of his pockets .

I have aided many quests ... i have given the chain and lots of people above me when i was misplaced way lower than a should of been billions of exp .

I cant count anymore the times i went on queen quest even never particpated in end exp share so that the other people can have qa larger share . I helped with that quest to help the clan . or clanmate.

I was in very good standin in chain and clan for long time longer than alot of people there now.

I did not leave for greener pasture i left for loyalty . I did not come back for greener pastures i came back for loyalty .

'gimped

Dave_Mustaine · Post by **Dave_Mustaine** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 4:08 am

Alright so as long as we fairly equate "XP to level" with "Level" everything should be fine. The three of you will be inserted as soon as you get Bazil up and running on ACStats.

Khaz-Modaan · Post by **Khaz-Modaan** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:41 am

I like the idea... I might be missing something (bit out of it atm), but I like it

Pyreal Girl · Post by **Pyreal Girl** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:41 pm

Not sure I understand it all...BUT..i'll trust Khaz's decision..

PG

Kazsam · Post by **Kazsam** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:12 pm

I have to agree, would be all too easy to keep hopping out the chain when a better one, with more Xp appears, then expecting to get back in at their origanal spot, if not higher(due to all the xtra xp they gained whilst away)

Sounds like fair rules to me

Eternal Flames · Post by **Eternal Flames** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:23 pm

My 2 cents worth (No I'm not in the chain but am a clan member entitled to an opinion)

Anyone who goes for any reason should always be welcome back of course, however.....if they have left and want back in chain they have to accept that things have moved on, eveyone and his dog are 126 nowdays, its very wrong for someone who was in chain to leave and come back later expecting to slot in at top, the clan was formed around loyalties first and chains second, most of those wanting back could be argued as lacking in the loyalty side and they jumped ship soon as a better XP boat come along.

I would hope that anyone new joining ( And they are new, history or not) realises that the are gonna go in at the tail end and stick there, to expect anything else to me points to wanting in to LD for the wrong reasons

Gimped Mage · Post by **Gimped Mage** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:48 pm

I have been told this policy was in effect for months i dont remember it and i have not been absent for moonths .

I look at the chain list i see names that werenot there when i was and i see they were not placed at the bottom .. hmm

so the policy was not in effect . The policy did not go in effect til after i wore the Panzerfaust tag . I was clan mamber before the policy was made so it does not effect me . Thank you.

I thought i said in an above post the policy does not efffect me , clearly it does not .

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 4:17 pm

I'm going to jump in and address SOME of the comments in this thread. We, the chain managers, will post a version of the policy that will be based on XP rather than levels. People joining the chain from the outside will still go under the lowest 126, but there were some very good points made in here about how much XP one is really talking about to "outlevel" a 127 when you are many, many levels higher than that. A policy based strictly on an adjusted level count would effectively lock someone in place in the chain forever and that is not the intent of the policy. When the managers started talking about the need to address 126+ people joining the chain (before you left Gimped) we were thinking about people who are 130 or so. We didn't really think about the fact that there are chracters on Solclaim now who are level 200+. That's all I'm saying on the policy's mechanics until probably sometime later today. After we figure out how to implement an XP based policy, we will post the details on that.

Gimped, we, the chain managers and Panzerfaust, have been talking about this policy since before you left. This policy is NOT specifically about you, Starting Over, etc. That being said, it also does not automatically mean that it won't apply to you, or that it will. It wasn't publicized yet because, frankly, other things kept happening that kept pushing the 126+ policy onto the back burner. I honestly don't remember if any post-126 characters were inserted into the chain at their current level, but I don't believe they were. Many of the names you see in the listing now joined us sub-126 and have hunted themselves up.

Please be patient, everyone feel free to post your opinions about how things should work, and trust the managers to do what is best for the clan and chain overall. When we do dumb things, we're not above making corrections. One of the nice things about Last Dynasty is we are made up of people who care about the clan and the well-being of its members.

DL · Post by DL » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:52 pm

Gimped Mage wrote:I have been told this policy was in effect for months i dont remember it and i have not been absent for moonths .

I look at the chain list i see names that werenot there when i was and i see they were not placed at the bottom .. hmm

so the policy was not in effect . The policy did not go in effect til after i wore the Panzerfaust tag . I was clan mamber before the policy was made so it does not effect me . Thank you.

I thought i said in an above post the policy does not efffect me , clearly it does not .

Many many of the 126+ members you see NOW were the lower lv ones all feeding the uppers and have worked EXTREMELY hard to get to 126 before and after your departure.

The newest ones who joined since the rule was implimented long before you (Gimped) and your friends jumped ship are somewhere under me and lower. I was the lowest 126 player at the time someone 126+ wanted to be inserted. Lysham is one of them...though he was not directly my vassal at the time...there were a few other insertions above him who ran off for LSD...one is now perma banned...not sure of the other.

Gimped...This rule was in effect before you left....and it has nothing to do with your return.....you stated you left for reasons of loyalty....then it is your reason of loyalty that caused you to leave thus should help you understand you don't walk back in and sit at the TOP above every single player who stayed loyal to LD and worked hard to reach 126 since you left. Why do you feel you should special treatment above any other 126+ joining/rejoining?

Prophet' and LSD have fallen apart...Winkle has been history for a while and so has MTD..and I'm sure Bad Half will also fail too.....the flavors of the month have failed....those who jumped ship to be at the top of their favorite flavor of the month reap what they sow.

Every single allegiance with a chain now uses the rule that places new 126+ sign up under the lowest 126 member.....you may have been a former member but that should not give you special priveldge above all those in LD who put loyalty above the lastest xp madness and stayed here.

Gimped Mage · Post by **Gimped Mage** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 6:27 pm

you keep accusing me of jumping ship shame on you .

SHAME SHAME .

I was one those that worked in this chain below 126 and leveled higher than 126+ in this very chain .

Flavor flavor !!! i believe firtle is current flavor of what you speak of. funny thing is i am not there. nor did ask to be.

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 6:38 pm

actually I believe that gimpy left partly because SO was leaving, and partly because of the several fouled up attempts to move him up in the chian to a spot where he belonged (caused by several people not being online or checking the boards like they are supposed to)

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 6:43 pm

I should probably say something here again, because it may be more "believable" coming from me than from Gimped. In this case, I am speaking directly about and for Gimped Mage. In the post above, it was more of a general statement but I was wanting to draw Gimped's attention to it.

Gimped spoke with me after stating his intention to leave but before actually being removed from the chain. In his case, it wasn't a simply a bloodlust for XP (come on, we all have it to some extent

) that was the reason for leaving. There were other reasons involved also. Ultimately, yes, loyalty to the clan lost out in the competition against other, conflicting loyalties, but please don't anyone think Gimped just woke up one morning and decided, "I don't care about them, I'm chasing XP elsewhere."

Gimped Mage, if I am out of place here by speaking up, I apologize. D L, bravo for speaking up.

If we had more people in the clan who would wade in with their opinion, we would have far fewer misunderstandings.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 6:43 pm

Doh! I'm slow. When I started typing this, DL's post was the last one showing.

Dave_Mustaine · Post by **Dave_Mustaine** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:31 pm

Gimped, you really don't need to worry about this. Knowing you, you'll be passing up your patrons again in no time. I still need Bazil to get on ACStats, would you like me to post an insertion order without him?

Heatmiser · Post by **Heatmiser** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:52 pm

Lets get something straight. Im not accusing anyone of anything. Im simply saying this:

If you leave the clan, then you've left the clan. Simple. Im not really concerned with what all the various reasons for people's leaving may be, but I do intend to stick to our policy of placing 126s from other clans under our lowest 126.

At this point its only fair. We have already inserted new members from other clans using this exact policy. Ly'sham Slik is one member who comes to mind. I don't think at this point its fair to play favorites (or even to appear to be playing favorites) We need to stick to the policy. If we take in new 126s from other clans and place them at their true spot then we are going to have a hard time justifying that to members that were placed in accordance with the policy. Its not fair to them, its not fair to the chain and it presents a headache for the managers.

So to be clear: If you are 126+ and are wearing a tag other than Panzerfaust, you will go under our lowest 126. Period. There seem to be some discordance among the managers on this issue, but I don't see why. Its simple fellas. We need to stick to our policy.