Delindra's slacking!

Andiglo · Post by **Andiglo** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:58 pm

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http://lastdynasty.net/stats/outputver2 ... d&vtime=21

If somebody's above me in the chain slacking... ok, not my business.. but when it's below me I take it on my list of complaints... at least when it's that far off.

Delindra's only got 180 Loyalty skill, with a 1.5 mil raise for a level 145? Common, raise that loyalty, get 100% at least on passup, or get out!

IMO
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Somebody suggested I was a little harsh with the above comments. I didn't have the intent of being that way.

Kazsam · Post by **Kazsam** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:20 pm

Andiglo we got chain managers to do the ranting.............

Delindra has been in LD forever then left and recently came back, she isnt generally a slacker, you'll soon be getting your pound of flesh from her

Andiglo · Post by **Andiglo** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:37 pm

Yeah, I knew there were chain managers.

Thanks.. sounds like this is temporary.

Delindra · Post by **Delindra** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:34 am

Thought i saw my name mentioned

I actually asked last night how you could get a 75mill xp dept in the week i was away while building my new pc and other RL stuff.

that is down to 27mill now after 1 day back, will take care of rest when i wake up tommorow.

Raise my loyalty for a 100% passup ? No such thing, you cant pass 100%.

You can have a max of 93.5% PASSTHROUGH and around 25% PASSUP MAX.
Im on ~20% PASSUP right now. and i have the vassals nessesary to stay around the max PASSTHROUGH also, cant be at max unless you have been online for ALOT of hours with same patron.

And if i make quota by deadline like everybody else, then i cant see why you should have a saying on what i spend my xp on!

If you still have problems, either address to the managers or to me, thanks !

/Del

Andiglo · Post by **Andiglo** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 5:50 am

You're righ Delindra, didn't mean to get on your case too much.

I'm sorry about the rant.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:05 am

Comes in. Sees everyone is handled. Leaves.

Well, almost.

Delindra is right in that it is hard to passup much more than 20% - 25% until you have been sworm to your current patron for a long time. We have thought about in the past of issuning general guidlelines on how much loyalty should reasonably be expected at different levels, but that's a little hard to do (other than very general guidelines) because of the different templates. Eventually, I plan ot max my loyalty, and I personally think it should be a goal of everyone in the chain to maximize loyalty. A few points raised in loyalty makes a small difference in the percentage of XP passed up from hunting; several points raised in loyalty make for a larger percentage of difference. When you multiply those small raises in loyalty times 150 people or so you see a huge difference in the amount of actual XP passed up in the chain.

widow · Post by **widow** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:04 pm

everyone should have 280+ base loyalty like me

on a more serious note, since I spec'd loyalty and bumped it to 280+ base it's amazing how much difference it makes to the amount of time I need to hunt to make sure i am way over quota

anca · Post by **anca** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:53 pm

On my way to max loyalty

Vlad · Post by **Vlad** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:40 pm

Does loyality cap?

anca · Post by **anca** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:53 pm

yes at billion xp

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:42 pm

Yes and no Vlad. Loyalty works two different ways, one is how it affects XP passed up from your vassals, the other is how it affects XP you earn from hunting. The XP you passed up to your patron comes from these two different sources, that is, all of the XP your patron gets from you is either from XP you hunted for and passed some up, or else it comes from XP that your vassals have given to you and that you passed some of that up to him also.

Regarding XP passed up from your vassals: Yes, for this loyalty caps at an effective loyalty of 200. Effective means the buffed value of your loyalty, and it also counts any loyalty bonus you get from having been sworn to your patron for a long time. You will pass up to your patron a percentage of the XP your vassals have given to you. With 200 loyalty, you are passing up the maximum percentage you are allowed to pass up. EVERYONE in the chain should have an effective loyalty value at least 200.

Regarding XP earned from hunting: For this loyalty NEVER caps. It will max out after you have spent ~ 4 billion XP on it, but if you could keep raising it, the percentage of XP you pass up from hunting would keep going up too. With a loyalty of 100 you pass up roughly 16% of the XP you earn while hunting. With a loyalty of 200 you pass up roughly 23% of the XP you earn while hunting. With a loyalty of 300 you pass up roughly 30% of the XP you earn while hunting. You also get a hidden loyalty bonus from being sworn to you patron for a long time. That bonus maxes after 240 hours of sworn ingame time to your current patron, and the bonus caps at 100% of you loyalty. That means a 250 loyalty acts exactly like a 500 loyalty would (if you could get it that high).

Theoretically, with a buffed 300 loyalty and 240 hours of sworn ingame time, you would pass up roughly 60% of the XP you earn through hunting. Personally, I don't think it is that high, BUT raising loyalty does make a huge difference on how much of your XP you pass up (which means either that you hunt less to make quota, or hunt the same and pass up a lot more XP). Another BM is sworn directly to Borg and has no vassals. I fellowed them a long time ago (both characters are mine) when Another BM's loyalty buffed to 310 or 311. I don't remember how long BM had been sworn to Borg at the time; it was a while but I think less than 240 hours. Another BM passed up something like 38% of the XP he got in the fellowship. If everyone in the FC spent a lot of XP on loyalty (and especially in the OH where everyone is already 126+) the XP productdion of the chain would go way up.

The short version: The best thing to do is to keep spending XP on loyalty until it's maxed.

As soon as I can pick up a specialization gem I'm going to spec loyalty on Oof.

Here is a URL to the Loyalty/Leadership article I took the numbers from:

http://www.allglobaltravel.com/dkod/lead_loyal.htm

luang · Post by **luang** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:37 pm

Allow me to disagree.

I do NOT believe it should be everyone's goal to max out loyalty, and I do sincerely hope such a rule is NOT implemented in the chain.

Our duty in the chain is to meet quota. If I choose to do that by hunting rather then by raising my loyalty, that should be my choice.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:50 pm

Ah, but Luang, I would have had to said something for you to disagree with before you could disagree.

I don't believe I ever said it should be everyone's goal to max out loyalty, rather I said,

The short version: The best thing to do is to keep spending XP on loyalty until it's maxed. As soon as I can pick up a specialization gem I'm going to spec loyalty on Oof.

I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do, and that if everyone in the chain were to spend a lot of XP on loyalty, the end result would be that everyone would get back their XP investment in loyalty, plus more XP.

No, I don't see it ever being a requirement for the chain. Yes, you are right in that a chain members duty is to meet quota; however, there is nothing wrong in exceeding our duty either (not required to do so at all, of course). If loyalty is raised high enough, the amount of time required for hunting in order to meet quota does goes down significantly, which leaves more time for doing other things. It is all a matter of preference. I took Vlad's question as simply that: a search for how loyalty affects things, and chose to provide as complete an answer as I could.

(If your disagreement was to something someone posted, then please disregard my answer.

)

luang · Post by **luang** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:53 pm

Oof,

No intention to get into a pissing contest, but I still have to pee ...

Eventually, I plan ot max my loyalty, and I personally think it should be a goal of everyone in the chain to maximize loyalty.

And I too believe in surpassing expectations. I have a quota track record to prove that, I believe.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:59 pm

Ah, there it is, I stand corrected.

I certainly didn't intend to sound pissy about anything and I apologize if my post sounded that way. I read and re-read my post but have been staring at the monitor for too long today I guess. I do still personally think it should be a goal for all of the chain members to (eventually) max loyalty, but it would of course come after the more important skills and attributes were maxed, but I failed to stipulate that in the earlier post.

btw, I'm working on Kyri's reinsertion orders.