Pusher Program

[acaddict]

I believe we could set up that requirement that everyone has to contribute 2 buff cycles every 2 weeks to fellow with a pusher, any pusher in LD for food and OH members.

This could be done on merit. We could have a sticky that everyone could post their date and time they hunted with a pusher. They could be marked off the master list as completed and would just be easier to contribute the 2 buff cycles (yes, this may include the time it took you to buff the first time hehe) at one setting to get it out of the way for the 2 week period. However, a four cycle per month may be more appropriate for checking purposes.

If anyone has any comments, plz do!! I better tell Oof to post here as well since, he never comments on anything

[Oof]

One of the recurring questions I hear whenever the topic of hunting with pushers comes up is "What's in it for me?" If not that question, then it's another variation of it like, "Any XP I put in at the bottom will be gone before it reaches me" or "Can you show me how the XP will help anyone except the bottom few?"

I will try MY VERY BEST to work up some numbers tomorrow and post in here showing the XP side of things concerning pusher chains. So... any comments you have about Acaddict's post, by all means put them in here. If you mostly have questions about how the XP would shake out, hold off until tomorrow afternoon, then blast me if I don't have them posted in here.

[Phade]

But those same people saying whats in it for me, or why should I help anyone else out are the same people that hunt only exactly what they need to, in order to pass.. and no more because they would be giving xp to the people above them, and we can't have that can we.

[LitlPrincess]

me = GUILTY of hunting for just what i need.........FOR NOW!!
Lifes been hell lately. If im not in horrid excruciating pain im in constant dull achey irritating pain, or i have drs appointments, etc etc. I think the month of November is free for me tho, but in December its back to the drs, neurologists, etc again.

Now, about this pusher thing. Do you care if its just for vod hunting, or can i fellow with ya and hunt non vod things, i do pretty good on non vod things alone. Cause if i can just fellow with ya and hunt in the vicinity i can sure do that pretty good, heck id do that for more than 2 buff cycles, when i have time. ya know, 2 kids, life kinda sneaks up on ya.

Welp, off to the eye dr...........then the dentist......ugh

[widow]

acaddict is by far the most prolific "fellower" with "the general" at the VOD LS - kudos to him

due to where he is in the chain I doubt very much of the xp he pushes reaches back up to him but that is not why he does it.

all the poeple near the middle - are receiving a great deal of xp from people who do not receive very much at all (I have been looking after dragonsblood account while he has been on holiday) in the 10 days so far he has received about 100 million, a lot of people receive that almost daily or a large % of it anyway.

whats in it for them ?? how about giving something back to the lower group (I know they are passing up quota also) but giving to those who do not receive very much and keep them interested in the chain. you could use the arrugment what's in it for the lowers, they tend to push up much more than they receive. the bottom 10 or so do not really get very xp at all.

some poeple are quite selfish around this point, I have seem chat in "the generals" fellowship where people higher in the food chain have left the fellow as they don't want to be in a fellow with a pusher, the 10 mil or so they will loose over several hours in a good VOD fellow does not really make a dent in what they need but help and keeps so many lowers active.

I quite often make a fellow with "the general" and hunt around the easier bits of VOD getting him 3 mil an hr, in these sessions I could just join an existing VOD fellow getting myself 20+ an hr so that has a direct impact of 17m + an hr for me but I am happy to give back (although I am running "the general" at the moment it;s not my account and it will go back to the owner when he comes back from vacation)




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[Phade]

Exactly what we're getting at Trek.. Well said

Also it will benefit those higher up as well, by having more passed through, and more lowers joining etc etc.. its a long term improvment that most people just don't see for some reason

[Panzerfaust]

that's widow --
hehe -- using trek's avatar

[Phade]

Ack! lol sneeky

I just say trekman's avatar and figured it was him

[Panzerfaust]

You hit it on the head Widow. Chain XP is driven from the bottom up. The "actual" xp that is from the pusher disappears for the top, but it creates new XP all they way up.

For the OHers, what would happen if the FC were removed from the bottom of the OH? Would you want a pusher or twelve then?

[Compadre]

good idea, i try to fellow w/ the general when i go to hunt

[widow]

I came back here just now to post something like

" sorry guys I think that was harsh of me I didn't mean it to come out like that"

thinking I may have started a flame war I was very please if not somewhat suprised to see such positive comments and feedback !!

it woould only take a few others like acaddict to fellow (full on VOD fellow) to make a MASSIVE difference at the bottom of the chain (and thus flow through)

being at the bottom can not be much fun for the people there as it's mainly give give give, well lets give something back to show our appreciation and help keep them happy and feeding from the bottom up, who knows, if they get p***ed off and leave some of us will then be at the bottom !!!!!!!!

[highto]

I try to fellow with pushers evry sat and sunday morning est time. why becuase it helps those who have helped me and those that havent. we are all were we are thanks to work of this chain to guve back is the right thing to do GO Oof.

[cameloo]

OK, So you are atop the chain, and you realise that what the pusher makes gets lost along the way.

You are, in fact, correct.

But what your fellowing with the pusher adds to the chain is not merely xp. It is vitality.

The arse-end of the chain is the bottom ten characters. In general, they pass-up more they receive and the more they receive the more they will get off their fat backsides and actually earn some xp. As lower end chainers almost always make over 100% passup, this is good for the general vitality of the chain.

As a habitee of the arse-end of the chain, I know that xp received inspires vitality. Inspire the arse-enders and your chain will spring to life, top, middle and bottom.

Fellow with the pusher. It makes sense. You know it makes sense.

<<edit for spelling>> bad spelling + camels_arse = weak argument.

[acaddict]

Lil Princess, yes I would think that as long as you did hunt with any of the pushers (not all are at VOD ls) would count toward a requirement if we get an agreement for a pusher program. Just because you aren't hunting in Vod would not matter unless a larger group wanted to fellow with the pusher. I suggest using a fellow name as "X has the fellow" (X=the person holding the fellow) so others can contact that person. Always be up front to everyone including Panzerfaust followers that yu have a pusher in the fellow!

What I have seen here, is encouraging!!

1) I believe we can trust the integrity of the people in this chain to be honest about their hunting and recording that time spent in a sticky post.

2) I would like to make it a 4 buff cycles per month which would be easier to track.

3) The pusher himself could actually help track some of the activity to ensure honesty. The pusher gets a ton of xp (if the program is implemented) and should not have a problem monitoring the fellowers for a couple of hours per week.

4) The xp pushed through the bottom does reach the people higher in the chain whether you believe that or not!! People get to a higher level faster and can hunt much harder. This allows his patron to hunt easier and kill faster giving more xp to his patron. Do I need to say anymore?

[acaddict]

I have a problem with using my name as the person having the fellow. I don't like large fellows. To me, 6 fellowers makes the fellow full. When I use the title "Acaddict has fellow" I get 30-40 tells wanting to get in. For some stinkin' reason I have a reputation for good fellows at VOD?

A code name may be a better way to do this to indicate i have the fellow: I will use PNZF!