Formalized 126+ Chain Insertion Policy

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:16 pm

[Edited by Oof: This thread has run its course with Panzerfaust's post at the end. Dropping it to sticky for a few days, on its way to becoming an unstickied post.]

[Edited by Oof: The following example is not valid any longer. The adjusted level the example talks about will be based on XP now, not on a simple number-of-levels calculation. The amount of XP required to level above 126 is huge, and continutes to grow the higher level one gets. It soon reaches the point where it is nearly impossible for a higher level character to gain the same number of levels as a lower level character. A new example will be posted once all of the bugs are worked out.]

Generally speaking, lvl 126+ characters joining the chain will be inserted at the lowest position in the chain where they will fit, just like any other insert. The exception to this is that any loyal, long-standing clan member who joins our XP chains at level 126+ will be placed in the chain at his/her actual level. An example of this is someone who leaves the chain for a while but remains in the monarchy, then later wants to re-join a chain.

Other 126+ insertees will be inserted below the lowest ranking level 126 chain member. The new insertee is flagged as of the moment he joins with a "relative" level of 126, i.e., his actual level is normalized to 126 when he joins the chain (the real level isn't changed in the database; this is only for tracking purposes). This relative level is what will be used for determining all future chain moves.

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An example may help explain this more clearly than a written paragraph does, so here is a scenario which will attempt to clarify the policy.

A level 139 character, named Joe, wants to join the chain.

Joe is inserted beneath Sally, who is level 126.

Joe's character level is flagged by a manager and adjusted to 126. In other words, Joe's actual level is recorded with a -13 to make him appear in our records as being level 126 (level 139 - 13 = level 126).

As time passes, both Joe and Sally gain experience from the chain and continue to level. Later, Sally is level 128 and Joe is level 145. She has gone up two levels, during which time Joe has gone up six levels (Joe hunts a lot and/or has real vassals to help out with XP).

Relatively, their levels now look like.

Sally is level 128
Joe is level 145, but shows as level 132 in our records (remember? level 145 - 13 = 132)

Joe is at least three levels higher than Sally and is therefore eligible to move up. Where does he move to in the chain? Joe moves below the lowest ranking lvl 132 member of the chain because Joe's level was adjusted to 126 when he joined our clan and chain. Because of that, his "adjusted" level is 132.

S O · Post by **S O** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:07 pm

hmmm at lvl 189 it cost almost 1 billion xp 2 lvl whatsdoes it cost 2 lvl at 126? somthing very wrong with this system!!!!!!!!!

Borealiz · Post by **Borealiz** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:08 pm

Reasonable in that lvl 126's start at the low part of the '126 part of the chain' imo, only Joe has to make ~1 Billion to up 3 levels, while Sally "only" has to make say 500 Million.

So in reality, i don't think Joe will ever move up.

Also, should he make that 1 Billion more than Sally does (say he does nothing but play), Sally receives a big part of that, thereby outleveling him fast, because she needs less xp to go up one level than Joe does.
In other words, the xp he makes to go up one level is enough via passup to up Sally 2 levels without her even having to hunt. Therefore, he can never hope to pass her in levels.

If i'm seeing that correctly that is.....?

-B.

Gimped Mage · Post by **Gimped Mage** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:27 pm

I saw that too borealiz. i need 2.2 billion exp to level 3 levels

somebody at level 126 a heck of alot less he will level 10+ times before i do .

Also ..... kinda funny how me start and bazil say we coming and back and this Rule is made up.

If i find out is we were part of that reason i will be very dissappointed in alot of people.

Kythden · Post by **Kythden** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:14 pm

My highest level char is only 86 so I have NOTHING at stake here.

There is a very valid point to the fact that it takes so much more for them to level, but here is the thing.

You have already made it to level (for example 145) it is like any where else in the chain, I want to move up, I have to get more xp that what my patron is getting from her hunting AND from what I am passing up. It is part of being in a chain.

I totaly agree with the policy and I will tell you another reason why. I see few low levels entering the chain, but I see plenty of high levels. This policy will limit those who are just jumping from chain to chain trying to find the one that gives them the most xp for the least effort, and it rewards dedication.

I think it once again is a demonstration of the fact the LD takes care of its own, putting US, the LDer's who are here because we love this Monarchy, abouve level 158 BMClone#45876312 who wants to jump in at the top of the chain and reap the rewards of all our hard work.

Just my own two pyreals worth.

Culticon · Post by **Culticon** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:51 pm

Nice maybe this will help keep the people from chain hopping in the future. There is no way a character thats been in the chain forever should be under a toon that decides to hop to this one because the other fell apart or is not making the exp it once was.

Loyalty should be rewarded!

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:53 pm

Honestly gimpy we started talking about this rule long before you guys left. when Winkle started desolving.

This has nothing to do with you guys at all.

and just a side note, from the xp I'm getting on Phade and the XP I get on Flesh Puppet, the lower down the line in 126s the better the xp

<shrug>

Gimped Mage · Post by **Gimped Mage** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 3:07 pm

Lyalty should be rewarded .. thank you for pointing that

Panzer OOf Phade they know reasons for leaving . it had nothing to do with Chain jumping .

It had everything to do with respect to the clan and its leaders EVERYTHING.

I was told I am more than welcome back with good standing and open arms .

Oh ! im sorry i realize that it what the rules pretty much states its not for the people like me so i guess it doesnt apply to me . me bad .

Compadre · Post by **Compadre** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 3:59 pm

i think they should indeed be inserted at the beginning below the lowest 126 but after say 3 weeks of loyalty they should be moved to the position of their true level.

DL · Post by DL » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:02 pm

Gimped Mage wrote:I saw that too borealiz. i need 2.2 billion exp to level 3 levels

somebody at level 126 a heck of alot less he will level 10+ times before i do .

Also ..... kinda funny how me start and bazil say we coming and back and this Rule is made up.

If i find out is we were part of that reason i will be very dissappointed in alot of people.

I know for a fact this rule...though "unspoken" at the time has been in effort for quite some time....I actually have a PM about it....not sure of the date but it was sometime in January and came from a chain manager....I just never understood why it took so long to post it on the forum so everyone could see the new policy on lv 126+ insertions.

Really.....if you don't have time to play or want to move around in other chains....whatever the reason is.....it's not fair that ANYONE can walk back into a chain and EXPECT to be placed at the top of the pack simply because they chose to come back here to play....if anyone leaves the chain for whatever reason...this is the risk you have to face....you do not get placed back in the exact same place.

BTW...the lower chain members are making more than most uppers...I know Qa'zienn my hubby logs in 99% of the time to more than I do.

PLUS......for those who sat at the top...how did you get there?...by all the pushers below you...ever think of maybe giving a little back to the ones who got you where you are today when you rejoin?

....

Dave_Mustaine · Post by **Dave_Mustaine** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 7:11 pm

Guys, when we adjust the level in the database, we'll also make it adjust the "XP to level". If you're level 180 with 2 billion to level, the database will see you as 126 with what, 200 mill? Once you make that xp you'll show up as 127. By the time you hit 181 in the real world you'll be like 130 in the database.

Heatmiser · Post by **Heatmiser** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 9:35 pm

A cut and paste from the managers board about my opinion on this topic:
"I will go with the majority with no complaints.

However, my original opinion is still what I think.
Flavor of the month chain hoppers should not be rewarded with our top spots when the chain falls apart.

Dont think we've seen the last of these "one month wonder chains". The next time some VN board royalty or some leet PK wants to start a chain, they'll flock to it again in droves. And if we cater to the chain jumper, then its gonna be more headaches for the management in the long run as these guys leave and come back and leave and come back and leave...

We did drop the ball on posting a coherent policy on this issue though. :\"

I posted that on the managers board, and thats still what I think. If somebody wants to go clan hopping to chase the xp, thats fine but we need to look out for our own and reward those that stuck with us. (The ones who were smart enough to realize that THIS CHAIN isn't going anywhere and will be around when the others fall apart.) When the flavor of the month chain falls on its face, I welcome anyone from it into our ranks with open arms.....

under our lowest 126.

Maybe when we get the Order of Hyssop and Trout up and running, they can onec again return to their true lvl spot.

Compadre · Post by **Compadre** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 9:51 pm

after reading dave's post i think all is good with this.

Gimped Mage · Post by **Gimped Mage** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:52 pm

i never chained hopper please dont accuse me of that.

El-Tazar · Post by **El-Tazar** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:52 pm

I think people who leave the chain for RL issues
should get placed as close to their original possie
but..
People who leave chasing exp inother chains, should
rejoin at the lowest ranks.
The managers know who and what I am sure they will
make the right decision.

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