Raise that Loyalty Notice (again)

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:44 am

I think having it spec'd should disqualify you

anca · Post by **anca** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:10 pm

yes Spec doesn't count

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:05 pm

I should be back in the top 20 now...

DL · Post by DL » Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:32 pm

LOL @ Phade

hmmmm......maybe we should disqualify all mages too since they start with 100 self and between their focus and self they put a HUGE amount of xps...and those xp's were not put there to raise loyalty.....lol

No matter how you look at this...it's awesome....some peeps over lv 126 really had some pretty low loyalty.....it's nice to see a certain number rising...and for the most part..it's not that expensive.....

I personally would like to see a higher loyalty requirememnt placed on the OH....we are supposed to be the uber xp makers..we should have uber loyalty too...

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:18 pm

LOL Phade is a funny guy, isn't he?

Culticon · Post by **Culticon** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 1:30 am

Hes a Card hehe

I B Six U B Nine · Post by **I B Six U B Nine** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 7:04 am

What do you mean it's not that expensive to raise? It's costing me over 106 mil to raise a frickin' point(and counting). I only wish I could spec it!!!!! No stopping for this guy. Thank you chain for allowing me to be able to raise 1 point a day. Tommorrow my base loyalty will be 263. One week ago my base was 235. One week of sacrificial chain pass-up is a small price to pay. My challenge is to all 126+ to have their loyalty cost to be over 100mil to raise. It's GO time.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 11:56 am

You toss out a rough challenge I B, but okay.

I plan to eventually max loyalty anyway. People can call me a noob if they want.

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:03 pm

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:04 pm

Just some math based on numbers posted by Stargren here earlier.

250 base loyalty, no time bonus buffs to 300, 29.8% x 1.25 = 37.25% effective passed up
(including patron's leadership modifier)

250 base loyalty with 240 hours time bonus, buffed modified 600, gives 63.5% as effective passup

300 base loyalty (requires spec) with time bonus, buffed modified 700, gives 72.25% as effective passup!!

Basically, stability pays off.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:40 pm

You made a good observation Naka. I hadn't thought before about whether the loyalty calculations take into account the 125% a patron can pull from the XP pool (assuming an effective leadership of 163).

The fact that a patron can pull 25% more XP than a vassal actually puts into the XP pool makes having a higher loyalty and loyalty bonus even useful in pushing up large amounts of XP.

Coji · Post by **Coji** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:51 pm

when is the next updated list posted?

Podunkmer · Post by **Podunkmer** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:02 pm

Phade wrote:I think having it spec'd should disqualify you

What if, even spec'd, it costs twice as much as any other skill you have?

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:15 pm

when is the next updated list posted?

Now

Num Name Lvl Loyalty
01 ) Khaz-Modaan 174 271
02 ) Jack Able 136 270
03 ) Pallal 90 264
04 ) I B Six U B Nine 153 264
05 ) Anca 177 260
06 ) Qa'zienn al-Tobarrr 163 258
07 ) Keshi 96 252
08 ) Trekman the Axeman 175 250
09 ) Dangerous Lady 170 250
10 ) Dave Mustaine 172 250
11 ) Dorzin 87 249
12 ) Oof 177 246
13 ) C l o u d 183 245
14 ) Flanker 155 244
15 ) Coji 169 242
16 ) Flesh Puppet 157 242
17 ) Iffah 151 240
18 ) Lagmatic 164 240
19 ) Con artist 138 240
20 ) El-Tazar 163 240
21 ) Town Crier 166 240
22 ) Kazsam 188 240

Honorable Mention:

23 ) Thorgrim 178 239
24 ) Phade 177 238
25 ) Sarick 88 237

I need to start tracking the up and down movements I guess and calling it like a race

The only one I can remember right now is Khaz took the lead (by one) away from Jack Able. And that Oof is being a slacker and needs to spend some more on loyalty.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:15 pm

I am not so sure about that time bonus anymore.

Stargren's 8.8% + 7% for each 100 loyalty seems to hold pretty well, but if there is a time bonus that must be included in the formula. Atleast for the one datapoint I had (wrote down some numbers and checked after a few hours of VoD hunting).

290 buffed loyalty gave 29.5% to patron (formula said 29.1%), with leadership bonus that would be 36.9%. I checked numbers for vassal xp, so that has been filtered out.

It is possible that without the time bonus the numbers should be 3.5% per 100 loyalty, anyone got a mule that can check that?

(Brasklapp : I am hungry, so numbers could be wrong)