FCInsert - ATTN: Mage Lazerline, BRUCELEE, Litl Princess

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:26 am

For some reason, it seems to sometimes takes uploading a few times in order to start showing up in the chain listing the right way. It doesn't always happen. Bruce, please try updating your stats a few times and see if that helps any.

Thanks.

brackatees · Post by **brackatees** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:06 pm

Me again . . i know or think you all are working on fixing server issues,
B r u c e L e e, STILL hasNt uploaded it looks like & he just got inserted this past weekend, & let me explain.

my ac stats arent showing up on the main stat page right,(xp looks correct, but (last time uploaded) doesnt look right).... BUT if u click on my name it clearly shows when i last uploaded as this should work w/ anyone, . ..

so my point being= that when i click on my vassels- B r u c e L e e ('s) name to show his char info, it shows- Last Time Uploaded: 2003-08-27 !! thats not good. i hate to be the party pooper on this but rules are rules for the chain & they are Easy ones at that! ~if this is why i cant upload correctly that bites too. but he was 2 days late getting online to do the orders for his own insertion & never uploaded what the H.
do whatever you guys think i dont care, just if he isnt even playing, is everyone above him missing out on Chain xp's (?) cause he has 10 or 11 vass's looks like
just giving this issue a nudge

....
I love this game

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:46 pm

Bruce, are you sure your using the latest version of the chain url in Acstats? Do you have your key vassal selected?

At least a little post here what is going on may help clear up some questions of the chain and for you

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:58 pm

This question is for any of the managers listening out there:

When did we start inserting folks in the food chain where ever they wished to be inserted? At least this is the way it appears in the case with Brucelee.

I was under the impression that if they left and came back they were supposed to be put back in at the very bottom. If they wanted to move up, they still had to make quota for 3 weeks, then could be moved up to the OH.

Griffmar · Post by **Griffmar** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 6:34 am

Hmm, does seem counter-intuitive. Was the intent to avoid having Brucelee start beneath the lowest L126 in the FC, given special consideration as a former chain member in good standing?

If the goal was to fit him between similar levels, it seems he should have gone under Litl Princess instead of above her, since they were the same level at the time of the orders. And Litl has leveled twice since then, not sure where Brucelee is at, since his stats have to be quite out of date by now.

If there is special dispensation for returning FC/OH/CC members, people would probably be interested in knowing that, in case it is a factor in decisions they make regarding their participation in the chain, one way or another.

LitlPrincess · Post by **LitlPrincess** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:23 pm

Good point. I didnt even notice this. Can we please get an answer here guys? If he was rejoining or starting fresh why didnt he go under the lowest 126 and above me of which i am currently 159?

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 6:23 pm

Blah! I had a really nice explanation all typed up, and was getting ready to click the Submit button and Bang! the power went out.

Oh well, it's back to typing now.

ORDER OF HYSSOP: People go in at the bottom. Period. No exceptions.

FOOD CHAIN:
When new characters sub-126 joins the FC they are placed at the lowest possible place in the chain. With sub-126 characters, this is easy, since they'll only fit in one place.

When new characters 126+ joins the FC they are placed at the lowest possible place in the chain. With 126+ characters, it means they will be placed below our lowest current level 126 chain member.

In both of the examples above the placement is done to protect and reward our long-term chain members.

When a returning 126+ joins the FC, they are placed at their "real" level. This only applies to return chain members who were chain members for a reasonably long period of time, who left the chain but didn't leave the clan for somewhere else. If someone leaves the chain, goes somewhere else and levels, and then wants to come back, they go in at the lowest possible place in the chain.

The above rule applies to B r u c e L e e. He was in the chain for a long time and RL caused him to quit for a while, but he didn't leave the clan for another chain.

I didn't look at the levels involved in the order, but I suspect what happened is the manager who did the insertion order looked at Bruce, looked at the levels of the other people in that section, and decided on the best spot to place him. It is possible the insertion manager (I also forgot to look to see who posted the original orders) made a mistake, though that's unlikely. I'm pretty much the manager who is designated as the one to make mistakes.

ANSWERS TO VARIOUS QUESTIONS, HOPING NOT TO MISS ONE:
Griffmar wrote:

Was the intent to avoid having Brucelee start beneath the lowest L126 in the FC, given special consideration as a former chain member in good standing?

Yes, Bruce was placed at his real level because he is a returning, long-term chain member. Assuming Bruce and Litl were both the same level at the time the orders were posted, the manager probably made the placement decision based on who had the most time in the chain.

Acaddict wrote:

When did we start inserting folks in the food chain where ever they wished to be inserted? At least this is the way it appears in the case with Brucelee.

I was under the impression that if they left and came back they were supposed to be put back in at the very bottom. If they wanted to move up, they still had to make quota for 3 weeks, then could be moved up to the OH.

We don't generally even listen to people when they start telling us where they want to be placed in the chain. Even when people try to get us to place them in a particular spot, we don't pay any attention to it. We try to the best of our ability to follow the rules without wavering, since it's the only way to be fair to everyone.

Regarding leaving and placement: If someone leaves the OH it most likely means being inserted at the bottom upon being placed again (special circumstances might apply). If someone wants to join the OH they will absolutely have to spend that three week period "proving" themselves before they are moved into the OH.

Mage Lazerline wrote:

rules are rules for the chain & they are Easy ones at that!

You are right. I will look into this, and thank you for bringing it up (I hope I would have noticed the Old Data soon anyway but...) Everyone is responsible for updating. If a character can't maintain current chain page information they can't remain in the chain. B r u c e L e e, if you are reading this, please update your stats right away.

No update from a chain member = chain member being removed from the chain.

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 2:21 am

Ok, I'm still in the Chain learning curve. Thanx for the explaination Oof. The main problem I had was that Bruce hasn't even set key vassal yet and i'm not sure Mage Lazerline has either. This is way beyond the 4 days LOL!

Was hoping for a manager to get the whip out.....Where's that Phade guy, I heard he was pretty good with a whip!

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:22 am

Err, sorry. I meant to say in the post that I would look into the lack of update and see what is going on. If no update is happening and there isn't a temporary, technical reason for it, any non-updating person will be removed from the chain. Nothing personal about it, it's simply the way things work.

LitlPrincess · Post by **LitlPrincess** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:50 am

ML has B R U C E L E E set as his vassal.
B R U C E L E E is set as my patron.
B R U C E L E E E 's last update was....... 2003-08-27 14:44:25

B R U C E L E E is still showing Sinnistar' Bow as his patron.

So, the problem is not with ML it is between us.
*points finger at B R U C E L E E*

hope this cleared things up a bit.

Also. Thanks for clearin that up Oofie.

Heatmiser · Post by **Heatmiser** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:38 pm

Oof pretty much cleared it up.

Whenever an LD member leaves the FC in good standing and does not leave the clan, we always try to put them back at their true level when they return to the chain, this includes 126+ characters.

This policy does not include the Order of Hyssop, since no one (new to the chain or returning to the chain) can be inserted directly into the OH anyway. EVERYONE who is admitted, must spend 3 weeks in the FC first, and then they are placed at the bottom of the OH.

To be clear, we NEVER insert characters based on where those characters want to be placed. On the contrary, an incoming chain applicant has absolutely no say in where they are placed. We instead insert them according to chain policy.

LitlPrincess · Post by **LitlPrincess** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 4:51 am

Can you drop this to unsticky, he is out now until he can get with the "chain program" I have resworn back to Mage Lazerline as requested

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FCInsert - ATTN: Mage Lazerline, BRUCELEE, Litl Princess

No response from Bruce?

Hmm

Chain learning curve