126+ insertion thoughts. (all read)

[Thorgrim]

Well, That last page has turned into a long list. I thought I'd start my own little page.

First of all, let me just say that Opinions are like A HOLES, as in, Everyone's got one. And here's mine (for what its worth)

Starting over, Bazil, and Gimped mage have been with the clan a long long time. And I was disappointed to see them go. But I didnt ' blame them for wanting to try out something different. It didnt' mean that we still couldn't be friends.

But lets face it, It didnt' work out the way they thought it would. (for what ever reason that might be. Yadda yadda yadda, Hints allegations and things left UNSAID.)

So they would like to return to what they know is pretty (knock on wood) stable. I dont' blame them. its what they know.

Should they be allow'd to place according to their levels? In truth, I really dont' see why not. Although, I can honestly say that the people around the 126 mark are getting the most exp's in the chain though. (I heard it from a friend of a friend.........no names) but I wouldnt' see a problem with it.

I don't think anybody is truely being punished. Do I think the thought of greed (through exp's) sounded interesting to the above mentioned? HELL YEAH! What white blooded DERETHIAN, wouldnt' love to make 300 mill a day. HEH>

Personally I have truely no problems with them being placed according to their levels. (via ac stats or treestats. what ever)

But seriously, what happens if I Thorgrim, level 159 axeman decided I needed a break. (besides my wife is due in July, What if I can't play all that much anymore for a few months, and have to quit the chain for a few) does that mean if I leave, I sort of get "punished" and get placed below the lowest 126+ guy there? Whenyou guys know I push out many exp's ?

Or is their some unspoken rule, that once inside the chain, with in a few weeks, I'm able to surpass my chain patron, and be placed accordingly, back where I rightfully belong. (between the 158 guy, and the 160 guy???) Having been here since level 44, I can honestly say i'd be pretty crushed by that. For I have worked very hard, and have inched my way up the food chain to surpass MANY a patron along the way. (I'm about 8 levels above my current patron now as a matter of fact...)

I really have to disagree with that. The thought does disappoint me. (I dont' plan on leaving of course)

Then you have this thought of... Who actually deserves to be at the top. Guys who stayed? Or guys who left, and came back? (its all about the numbers baby!!!) I'm sure Whiskee, Zataki, Youkay, Panzerfaust could easily take a few U BER vassals below them. I know I like exp's as much as the next guy.

If we're speaking of merrit, lets look at quota for fun. Out of the entire list, I'm well over the 100% mark for quota. I like to stay there. I'd go as far to say I ahve the highest % on the board. (AND NO, I DIDN"T AFK MACRO TO GET THERE) One day off from work, and I made 140+ MILLION in one playing session, and continued' to play that way.

So I've just decided I want to be top of the food chain! (NOT GONNA HAPPEN IS IT??) I didn't think so. And I'm ok with that. Whats fair is fair. I'll get mine when it gets to me I suppose.

But I seriously think a person should be inserted according to level. NO matter who, or what they did. Level is level. Its like saying the level 125 orlower, will be inserted below the lowest level 51 guy. (IT CAN'T BE DONE)

Again, I'm not flaming anybody. On the contrary. I love the chain. But if I have to leave (for what ever reason, which I doubt, but anyways) I'd hate to be punished (figure of speech) for having to leave because of a RL problem. etc etc.

Nough said. I hope this doesn't turn into a huge "quote un quote" flame board. If so. Board managers please just delete it. This is only my opinion. ( and its prolly not worth all that much But I like it. Muahahaha

Thorgrim

[DL]

Asking to leave the chain for whatever reason that simply places you under your patron temporaily or in the casual chain until you can once again meet quota is a whole lot different than leaving the allegiance completely and then returning expecting to be treated like you NEVER left.

SO:

If I leave to go play under a new tag or under my own tag...then I return...I should not expect to be placed above everyone else simply because I WAS once a member. I gave up my rights or claim the day I stopped wearing the Last Dynasty tag.

however....

If I take a step away from the food chain and continue to remain loyal to LD and still wear the Panzerfaust tag, then I am still an allegiance MEMBER and this should be the ONLY time an exception is made if there is any exceptions to be considered.

that's my 2 cents....

[Sunyata]

I seldom say much about the stuff that goes on around here, but this time its just really sad. You chain managers screwed Gimped mage around for MONTHS while he patiently and loyaly waited and kept supporting you and your work and the chain.

Then you have the gall to wonder why he finally had enough and went to see if he could get a little respect elsewhere??? Where was your LOYALTY to him through all that time?? Its you who failed him and failed him miserably! And now you all have the nerve to talk about his loyalty and screw him around some more???

As for you DL, you been a member for what .. 2 months?? You got no idea of the history of Gimped mage and this clan. You got NO RIGHT to be calling him a 'chain jumper' and telling him about loyalty this and loyalty that. If you were so high and mighty loyal .. why did you leave your old clan ... hmmmm?

I follow Gimps where ever he goes. I was really glad to be back in LD because I used to have a lot of respect for and like the people here. I used to think they were honorable and fair. Guess I was wrong.

[Dax]

Just because you get put under a few people doesn't mean you can't climb back up the latter!

[DL]

Why is everyone making this into a personal vendetta against Gimped?

Including Gimped himself!


NO ONE...and I mean NO ONE made a fuss when any of the last few lv 126+ insertions who joined were placed down into the chain and not at the top according to lv.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT GIMPED......as stated....THE RULE WAS IN EFFECT BEFORE HE LEFT NOT AFTER HE CAME BACK!

If it appears I was calling him a chain jumper I apologize for that....but I called it as I saw it...I know he had asked to be moved up..I was a member...I know he then got fed up and left when his friends did....I was a member then too....the key thing is he LEFT....If I leave I don't expect SPECIAL treatment should I decide to return....neither should anyone else.

Also, if anyone wants to know why I left my old clan feel free to ask...(why are you asking now? Is it because I spoke up and you disliked what I had to say so you need to look for dirt on me about where I came from?)........BTW....I was sworn to my cook from DL's day of creation in this game and my husband has been my cook's patron as long as she existed and currently still is.

BTW....having a discusion and voicing an opinion should only warrant a debate NOT "Let's see how much dirt we can gather and sling at each other"

If there is a "time limit" on being a member before we are ALLOWED to state our opinion please let me know and fogive me if I've stepped out of my bounds.

[Flanker]

Keep this a good discussion guys. We dont need to start flaming each other here.

I myself thinks it is healthy to get things out and the open and discuss them, but please lets maintain and adult attitude that we all have about the subject.

Cheers
Flank

[Dezayn]

Well, I posted on the other thread, and after reading this, I thought of a couple more points to make:

First, I know nothing about the situation concerning Gimped Mage, Starting Over, or Bazil....why they left, why they are coming back, nor their reputations in the chain and the clan. So this has absolutely nothing to do with them....but I can understand and even empathize with their current predicament.

I commented on the other thread that I believe the policy, in and of itself, is a fair policy. I speak based on my experience as a Casual Chain manager, which I started over a year ago. Policies try to regulate fairness for the whole chain. Policies also improve the efficiency of how the chain is managed.

Whenever someone leaves a chain, or joins a chain, this creates work for the managers to coordinate the move. Obviously, if people could freely leave and come back to the chain without fear of reprecussions, this could greatly increase the workload of the managers. The new policy therefore helps reduce this possibilty, and adds stability to the chain. It also prevents the appearance of unfairness (whether real or imagined) of a new chain member (126+) being placed above you just because they are a higher level. This may be seen as unfair because maybe you have been in the chain for many months, and have played hard to work past many others in the chain.

On the other hand, policies are general, and I think there needs to be allowance for exceptions on a case-by-case basis. Like I mentioned above, I do not know the situation regarding Gimped Mage, S. O., and Bazil. However, if the FC managers deemed it appropriate to make an exception in this case, I would support them....if they declined to make an exception, I would also support them. An exception might include a probationary time, then they would be restored to their former positions.

But such policies affect other individuals also. Flanker left the FC several months ago, and was not put back in his former position when he was recently reinserted...Lagmatic left the FC, even AC1 several months ago, and just returned to the chain. He was not put back in his former spot. Lagmatic was a former HC member, and Flanker is currently on the HC.

So, what is fair and what isn't? I cannot answer that. I think it is great that we are asked our opinions and we are given an opportunity to speak our minds...and differences of opinion will always occur. But I think that once we have offered out two cents, and the managers have taken it all into consideration, and a final decision is made, then its time to put our differences aside and move on.

[Heatmiser]

Yes, definately time to move on.
I take exeption to anyone who says the MANAGEMENT of the chain screwed anyone over.

Running this chain is a huge undertaking that we do in our spare time. Honestly, there are weeks when I spend more time on chain issues than actually playing. I'd rather be playing trust me. I feel like our volunteer work is for the greater good. We aren't the oldest active chain on the server as the result of some fluke. This chain has good effective management from the personel, to the website, the HC members like Ranger who worked so hard to put our new chain page together. This is a fact. I don't care what you say or think. I've been reading this stuff and saw our honor questioned and now read that we do a crappy job running the chain. Im done being diplomatic about this, you've managed to piss me off.

All we can do as management is post orders for removals/insertions and add effected players to our friends list to try to get them in game. We are not your Daddys though, and at the end of the day, its up to individual chain members to make these various moves happen. If it takes a long time to get a move done, then its usually no fault of management. Also we are bound to observe the rules and policy of the chain by enforcing them even handedly. This isn't the Winkle chain where there were inactive trade mules in its upper ranks, or the LSD chain where his favorites got the top spots. Here we try to treat everyone equally. We will continue to do so. Unfortunately we won't be able to please everyone all the time. Im done apologizing for sticking to the rules. In fact Im done with this topic. This seems to be making many waves, but I don't see why. I know whats fair and right. As always though, if HC and chain management see it differently than me, then I will follow the majority, but my opinion on this issue remains the same. This started out as nothing personal, but since then personal attacks have made it personal. For this reason Im going to refrain from post further about this. HC or Chain Management please PM me if there is any policy change or action that I may not be aware of because Im done with this topic.

[Kazsam]

I have been part of LD for 8 mnths, so i feel i have earned the right to speak up, I am totally amazed that people who leave the clan, go off and earn billions of Xp elsewhere, have the cheek to whine and moan that on their return to LD they dont get placed at the top of the chain. I could have done that and so could my partner Ef but our loyalties lie with LD hence why we are still here.

In fact Ef isnt even in the chain as are alot of peeps in LD, they are here for the clan, so if you people coming back are really so loyal you wouldnt care where you are placed in the chain but be glad to be in LD period.

My 2 cents!!

(posted here and another thread)

[El-Tazar]

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