Anybody want to play AC2 but dont want to pay for it yet?

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Post by Trekman » Mon Apr 21, 2003 1:19 pm

Well - I am "still" playing AC2.

But fact is that the game experienced a mass exodus during the last 2-3 weeks. And I don't mean the board trolls who say "I cancel my account" repeatedly but stay anyway. I mean people are really leaving AC2.

One reason is the "vision for the rest of the year" that Turbine published, suggesting that AC2 will follow the "EQ way of forcing group play in high levels". Well - Ok - I guess even AC1 forces group play (Queen Quest, VoD, .....) but at least you do not get it bashed on your head by the developers :wink:

But the main reason for the exodus is that AC2 still is more or less in Beta, although already being charged for.

The highest reachable level is 50. Up there you have nothing to do other than to hunt the very same few creatures in the very same areas. Turbine's only comments on that are "Well - we did not think that people would reach that level cap so fast" and "there will be no real content or a raise of the cap before autumn".
Not only to me that sounds like poor design and poor timeline planing.

Constant outages of the "non-game servers" let you play for yourself most of the time, but you cannot do /tells, fellow-, or allegiance-chats which makes it very lonely to play. Especially since you need a group to do most of the quests as long as their reward is useful for your level.
"Funny" effect : You stand in front of someone, /tell him/her something and get the anwer ".... is not online right now".
This has been going on for weeks now - and the "We apologize for the inconvenience" by Turbine/MS is nothing more than an additional provocation now.

Each month they are changing some or even many of the class skilltrees - Turbine calls it "Class Balancing" which is already considered a "dangerous threat" by the players.
Things that should have done during design and real Beta of the game are done now, alienating people who have invested lots of hours to develop a toon based on the skilltree - just to read before or find out after patch that one or more skills are suddenly working completely different, most of the times nerfed.
If you ever were an AC1 Life Mage and thought that the Life Magic changes were rude........

Furthermore Turbine has announced to move to sort of "one content patch every two months", as opposed to the "monthly patch" you have assigned for when opening the account. The "other" month they want to use for bug fixes.....see how confident they are in their own coding capabilities ?

And now they are offering free download and free trial of the game. Before they fixed any of the server issues harming the play of even the small remaining number of customers.
And without reimbursing those who stayed and payed despite all those shop-stopping problems - which in return makes many of us "stayers" additionally angry.

The clan I am in AC2 is not unknown - "Bandits Reborn" of Faile Bashere.
Experienced, honorable players who do not bash or rant easily.
Yet many of them have already left AC2, including Faile himself and Zeral, my former KoA monarch and once prominent LD member.
Some went back to AC1, even more turned to Anarchy Online at least as a temporary solution until SWG, Horizons or other MMORPGs come out....

I still play AC2 - but I would never consider it my "main" online game. If you only can afford one account - my advice is to stay in AC1, at least until September (one Milestone month mentioned in the "Visions").
Buffy might disagree with me now - but ask her again in a few weeks :wink:

Does that sound bitter ? Yes, it does.
Should you try AC2 ? Yes, you should.
Should you expect much of AC2 ? No, you should't (as of now).
Should you leave AC1 for AC2 ? No, you shouldn't (right now).
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Post by Mickie » Mon Apr 21, 2003 2:48 pm

No trek I dont disagree, It still has issues. But I am confident they will get resolved.
Why would you check back in a "few weeks"? Like Im just some still Noob enthralled by the graphics? Ive been playing since christmastime, and have watched it develop. Im STILL confident it will get resolved.

Yes they continue to have chat server outages, But they offered the free trial before the chat servers really started to have problems. But do you know whos responsible for the chat servers? Microsoft. Not Turbine. Everyone likes to bash Turbine and blame them for poor design, and poor planning, but their hands are tied by the close relationship with MS they have to maintain. You realize they have fixes for ALL the currently known problems, but have to have MS "approve" them? You ever try to get a driver "signed" by MS? Same Process. You DONT want to have to do it.

Maybe they didnt get the Beta they should have, but a beta of 300 could never address everything in the class skills balancing.

In my own defense, I never indicated that anyone should just cancel their AC1 account and blindly pick up AC2. I merely suggested that its worth a look, especially a FREE look.

/me stands up for small indepedent game and software developers worldwide.

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Post by .Urrasa. » Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:49 pm

I got that thing installed....but im clueless of where to go or what to do....Someone come rescue me!!!!......lol

With that free trial i didnt even need a cc or anything.....and it is the acutal game...if i decide to keep it i only have to put in the cd key off a game.....

Im not sure yet how well its running....i seem to be pretty laggy and thats with it set to low......It took so long to dl it last night i really didnt have time to mess around to much...so im stuck in arwic and not sure where to go next.....

Hope to see someone i know soon..... :D
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Post by Trekman » Mon Apr 21, 2003 9:13 pm

By "in a few weeks" I did not suggest you are a n00b. But after this period the first "light-heavy patch cycle" will be done and we will see its result.

Of course - the Chat Servers are maintained by MS. As are the Game Servers.

But : also the Chat Servers run code written by Turbine. Everyone seems to assume that the code is bugfree but the servers themselves are the problem.
Opposing your statement I even say that people bash at MS too often - at least in these cases.
I am not defending MS, but even the most stable server cannot remain stable if the running application crashes (it).
MS's own worldwide server network is far far more complex than the few AC servers. I know it - our company did its part building it up. So if MS is not able to maintain servers - why is their own network running as flawless as it can be ?

And not MS did humiliate Turbine by mixing wrong code versions into the patch which resulted in the total breakdown of Crafting (one key element of the game) or the returned 10%-XP-on-Tyrants-bug.
Turbine did that all by themselves.
Code Version Management is not a matter of whom you are owned by, its a matter of how professional you work.

You honestly think they have fixes for ALL the problems and only bad MS is preventing their implementation ?
You are kidding me - Keth and other developers publicly admit they have no clue about the "hourclasses in inventory", the chat-server breakdowns and other stuff. They even ask the players to post the exact messages and circumstances when such an error occurs. That is a typical beta procedure - now 6 months after release.

That said - I am for independant developers too. At least they have one excuse less for the problems they produce :wink:

And if I seem to sound negative - as long as I pay the monthly fee I am entitled to speak that way :wink:
And the fact that I still pay shows that I did not lose hope completely yet as so many others already have.

There is much good to say about AC2. But repeatedly talking about the bad things hopefully awakes the people responsible for the misery....
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