and mickie... I said outloud and in IRC several times that I almsot had it figured otu and it would only take a few more mins... then when I alt tabbed back in i saw in the chat log soemthgin abotu a VoD fellow forming... if you had paid attention to the clansmembers still there (and there were 5 or 6 of us still there after you and most of the group had left) you would have finished the quest as well.
Some peopel actually started questionign if I would be able to get the entier group through that had satyed because I started useign peopel to prop doors open... janova beign in possesion of his scroll proved that one

and as I have foudn with maggies.... what she writes about directions is rather half arsed....but she almsot always posts a link to a map of the dungeon as well...maps that show what swtiches open what doors... once I realized where we had been going wrong it was a bit time consumeing but insanley simple to figure out how to beat the system.